Workbench ... more questions (flickering)

[Khephren]

Nice one. Post a screen shot!
Small bench, now I remember....but too late!

[sim085]

How do I install these icons, because the package does not seem to have an installer. I read the read me and it says to use some InstallIcon program. However should I put these icons in some location on Workbench (example C:). I never installed icons before and do not know how best to do this.

[Matt_H]

There's also the simple-yet-expensive route: the upcoming Indivision ECS plus a VGA monitor.

[Lockon_15]

sim085 wrote:
How do I install these icons, because the package does not seem to have an installer. I read the read me and it says to use some InstallIcon program. However should I put these icons in some location on Workbench (example C:). I never installed icons before and do not know how best to do this.

IIRC, that package is not large enough for WB 3.1, i.e. it doesn't provide all icons for your OS, perhaps only for WB 2.x level, not all additional which are present with WB 3.1. Moreover, as you already had discovered, replacing icons can take a while (up to few hours, depending how much stress you can handle by stupid repetitive action) since simple overwriting will also reset tooltypes and other icon attributes.

I went that same road before only to conclude it would still be short of full effect, so your best bet would be the one Matt_H proposed - save for Indivision ECS and then enjoy full PAL HiRes Laced (640x512), without hassle of that limited tweaks.

Anyway, that's the way I'm trying to solve same or similar problem(s).

 

[stefcep2]

sim085 wrote:
How do I install these icons, because the package does not seem to have an installer. I read the read me and it says to use some InstallIcon program. However should I put these icons in some location on Workbench (example C:). I never installed icons before and do not know how best to do this.

The author of these went on to do ClassicWB http://classicwb.abime.net/classicweb/lite.htm, which looks as if its all installed for you.  

[sim085]

Does ClassWB also require Hi-RES?

[sim085]

Matt_H wrote:
There's also the simple-yet-expensive route: the upcoming Indivision ECS plus a VGA monitor.

Where can I find information on this?

[Thomas]

Where can I find information on this?

http://www.vesalia.de/e_indivisionecs.htm

[sim085]

Thomas wrote:

Where can I find information on this?

http://www.vesalia.de/e_indivisionecs.htm

Will this require a hardware hack like this one;
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~albert/Dev/A2320/

?

[Lockon_15]

Of course not.

Indivision ECS, when finished and available, will install inside A500 case, directly into one IC socket (Denise), so no soldering or fiddling with adapters at all.

[sim085]

Lockon_15 wrote:
Of course not.

Indivision ECS, when finished and available, will install inside A500 case, directly into one IC socket (Denise), so no soldering or fiddling with adapters at all.

interesting .. are there any ideas when it will be ready?

[zipper]

I think you have to pop Denise chip out of it's socket, put it into Indivision and press Indivision board into Denise socket and take the output lead from the board to the outside of the machine. Or perhaps without Denise? Or onto Denise? After all, not too complicated.

[Lockon_15]

sim085 wrote:

Lockon_15 wrote:
Of course not.

Indivision ECS, when finished and available, will install inside A500 case, directly into one IC socket (Denise), so no soldering or fiddling with adapters at all.

interesting .. are there any ideas when it will be ready?

Some weeks ago, Jens said development would take some 3 months; add some month for 1st production run and that makes September as a fair bet.

A lot of SOME used here, but surely it WILL be available, no need to worry about it.

[sim085]

Sorry to bring this up again. Posted on another thread where I was told the flicker fixer by Jens would still not solve my problems on a CRT monitor. Also someone mentioned something about a scan doubler?

Therefore I am coming to the opinion that if I want to keep my A500+ connected to my 1084S D1 monitor then I can say good bye to any Magic Workbench installation (because of Hi-Res flickering). Is this so? or ...

[Lockon_15]

Flicker-fixer made by Jens is a scandoubler device at same time, you should know that by now. Never mind, what matters is it won't solve your problem on your 1084S, it's intended to provide fine image quality on SVGA+ class of CRTs and almost every LCD built up to date.

If you stick with 1084S, forget about interlaced modes or you'll get your savings spent on eye strain treatments and perhaps a light migrene. 1084S hooked on A500 is good performer for games only.

Seriously, IMHO you should start switching strategy to Indivision ECS. Then use interlace even in overscan mode, install Magic Workbench or even MUI; image quality in Workbench should be uncompareable to one you saw at 1084S.

[sim085]

Lockon_15 wrote:
Never mind, what matters is it won't solve your problem on your 1084S

Well my intention was never to use my A500+ with any monitor. For this reason I purchased the 1084S

For me using another monitor (which I already have) in order to use magic workbench would be nice and bad at the same time. What I want is the feeling of using my Amiga on the hardware of back then!

However so far I nearly have enough parts to build a second A500+ maybe I maybe inclined to buy this scan doubler and flicker fixer for that

At this point I'll have to give up on anything 'magic' I guess! and stick to my workbench ... ...