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Offline whabang

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Re: Rendering an Amiga animation to a modern format?
« Reply #14 from previous page: March 03, 2008, 10:00:25 AM »
I did something similar a way back. I split the amin into separate images, transferred them to a PC, and used Jasc Animation shop to re-assemble the files into an AVI-file.
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Re: Rendering an Amiga animation to a modern format?
« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2008, 10:55:25 AM »
At work I have to use multiple packages to create effects and graphics - a couple of the packages I use, mainly Proanimator for 3d treatments on logos, has some quirks in how it exports - so I have to export it as a series of TGA files.

When I import these into my Avid, there's a feature which will assemble sequentially named graphic files into moving video automatically.

This feature is pretty universal across their software - I've used it on my home setup running Avid Xpress, as well as work where I use a much higher end system.

I think Avid Free DV can do this as well, although last time I  saw it you could only export to a video file, which is no big deal as you can export it to lossless quicktime with quicktime pro.

On an XPress system you could cut it to the tape system of your choice.

 

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Re: Rendering an Amiga animation to a modern format?
« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2008, 12:40:54 PM »
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There are products for the Amiga (i.e. DPS PAR Zorro Card). Which will allow you to output the Amiga's video to an external video recorder (like a DVD recorder).
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Definitely DONT do that....you would lose Quality.

The BEST and simplest way is to get a DVD recorder (Standalone) and just press record in the High Quality mode..............thats it!  Trust me you wont notice the difference.

a Slightly better way would be to get a Cheap SONY Digital8 camera with S-Video inputs and get a S-Video genlock and output it to the Cameras VCR mode..............once you record it, you will have an excellent master...........then you can transfer it through FireWire to a Mac or PC.

There is NO easier way than this.

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Re: Rendering an Amiga animation to a modern format?
« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2008, 04:04:35 PM »
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@ral-clan

The BEST and simplest way is to get a DVD recorder (Standalone) and just press record in the High Quality mode..............thats it!  Trust me you wont notice the difference.


I've got a DVD recorder, and have considered using this method.  But I've not found an easy way to rip video off DVDs for editing in desktop video software (like Windows Movie Maker).  Is there an easy way to rip video straight from DVD to AVI or something without ending up with segments or VOBS or some such convoluted thing?
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Re: Rendering an Amiga animation to a modern format?
« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2008, 07:15:21 PM »
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a Slightly better way would be to get a Cheap SONY Digital8 camera with S-Video inputs and get a S-Video genlock and output it to the Cameras VCR mode..............


But... You don't have DVD recorder with RGB input like in Europe ?? Even Philips build some !
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Re: Rendering an Amiga animation to a modern format?
« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2008, 04:33:13 AM »
I have been researching for a similar option for my Video Toaster and later when I purchase Flyerboard. One thing to note is the pixels on the Amiga are rectangle as opposed to the traditional square pixel format on the PC. I not sure about the Amiga PAR card any more (I used to own one.) I think This might help in the conversion to modern video such as MPEG2/DVD.

I was recently looking at a Sony D155 DVD recorder that retailed for $180 US dollars. A very nice unit, I believe it includes S-Video input as well as component, composit and a Firewire port.

The main point however is that with the S-video input being an Analog signal which is probably converted to digital on the fly; the recorder probably makes the conversion adjustment anyway. NTSC Analog and NTSC standard digital DVD still have the 720x480 pixel ratio. If I remember right The Amiga-PAR has 720X480 too. I will send the specs of this DVD Recorder in my next posting.

Meanwhile post your question here on the Newtek Amiga Video Toaster forum. They have a lot of good input on these exact kind of issues. I have seen similar discussions on this subject and Amiga owners getting very good results out putting to DVD. Even scaling up to HDTV screens. Many Toaster users have used PAR cards with there Toasters over the years too:

http://www.newtek.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=47

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Re: Rendering an Amiga animation to a modern format?
« Reply #20 on: April 08, 2008, 12:42:41 AM »
Your best bet is to render individual frames to disk, as you thought.  There are a few reasons for this.

First and foremost is that there's no additional hardware required :D

If for any reason you had a system failure in the middle of the rendering process (power failure, etc), you can simply pick up and continue rendering from where the failure occurred; if a failure occurred while outputting to a video format, you would have to start the output process over from the beginning...not happy if you're at the 99% mark after 10 hours of render ;)

By outputting to individual frames, you have multiple re-targeting options.  You can use a batch-conversion utility (such as irfan) to convert your source images to your desired format.  For example, I'll often bring frame anims into Maya for effects work or as a backplate for other animation; I'd convert the source images to .iff, TIF, or TGA format.

Another benefit of batch processing individual frames is the ability to process multiple tweaks, such as color correction, chromakeying/rotoscoping, sharpening/desharpening, and, maybe most importantly, pixel aspect ration correction/compression.

After outputting an frame archive, any number of utilities can be used to assemble the frames into an animated video, in any of several formats.  As mentioned, VirtualDub is perfect for the job.

Just a couple of reasons there, but I hope they show that frame-based output is safer, easier, and much more robust pipeline than outputting directly to video formats.
 

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Re: Rendering an Amiga animation to a modern format?
« Reply #21 on: April 08, 2008, 12:58:53 AM »
Dear Friend:

Use the pc version of aladdin 4d (Thru winuae)which comes included with aladdin 5. Then use the pc format to render the whole animation as single frames, then you can assemble the animation and save using the pc/pc tools.
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Re: Rendering an Amiga animation to a modern format?
« Reply #22 on: April 08, 2008, 03:52:33 AM »
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Dear Friend:

Use the pc version of aladdin 4d (Thru winuae)which comes included with aladdin 5. Then use the pc format to render the whole animation as single frames, then you can assemble the animation and save using the pc/pc tools.
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Did I read that right? Alladin 5 for PC includes Alladin 4d for amiga?
 

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Re: Rendering an Amiga animation to a modern format?
« Reply #23 on: April 08, 2008, 02:39:03 PM »
Seeing as Aladdin was only just bought out by Discreet FX from Nova Design in January, I dont' see how they could have made a PC port already.
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Re: Rendering an Amiga animation to a modern format?
« Reply #24 on: April 08, 2008, 08:17:31 PM »
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It's quite possible to render Amiga animations to MPEG-1 video using a variety of Amiga software ...

But the problem is that I don't know if there are any Amiga apps that render MPEG-2 video.  So I was asking.  


And it doesn't seem to be answered yet. It's just a different, but more CPU-intensive, encoding. So as you said, are there any Amiga apps that render MPEG-2 video?  :-?
 

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Re: Rendering an Amiga animation to a modern format?
« Reply #25 on: April 09, 2008, 03:39:49 AM »
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What is the best way to render an animation created in an Amiga to a modern format (i.e. ultimately MPEG2 or DVD).

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I should note that I have an A2000 with B&W composite output so that's not an option.  I do have an A520 RF adaptor for the RGB port, but the quality is not up to professional standards (unless someone knows of a S-VIDEO hack for the NTSC version - I've only seen the PAL version hack).

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 I use this hack for any NTSC Amiga with no troubles at all! The quality is just "good enough" (nothing like 1080i, of course). But works even for Eric Schwartz... ;-)
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Re: Rendering an Amiga animation to a modern format?
« Reply #26 on: April 09, 2008, 12:06:29 PM »
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That page says the hack is only for PAL A520s.  I've seen some discussions by the author and he states hasn't done the NTSC hack yet.

Are you sure you have an NTSC Amiga?  You're posting from Brazil, where they use PAL-M, as I understand.
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Re: Rendering an Amiga animation to a modern format?
« Reply #27 on: April 09, 2008, 01:50:17 PM »
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That page says the hack is only for PAL A520s.  I've seen some discussions by the author and he states hasn't done the NTSC hack yet.


I believe the PAL and NTSC A520 use a different circuit board. I've never seen a PAL A520, but I did have a PAL A1200, and the video circuitry was completely different from my NTSC A1200, not a matter switching a few components.