Cyberstorm and A4000 problem

[Amigaz]

amigadave wrote:

amiga92570 wrote:
the jumpers for the Cyberstorm MKIII should be set to EXT. Remember you also need to install drivers before installing card or it will not boot. Also, make sure the board has proper spacers and is sitting level on the 4000 board.

I think the answer is above.  If you did not install the 060 libraries and drivers BEFORE you removed the 040 and installed the 060, it won't boot.  I am not sure how far along the boot process it will go before it hangs, but I know you will not see any part of the Workbench and I suspect you won't be able to get to the early startup screen either.

Good luck, hope you get it running soon.  I am in process of shuffling accelerators, video cards, ethernet cards, and other Zorro cards between a couple Amiga A3000Ds, one A3000T, two A4000Ds and one A4000T, to get the best combinations and have run into the 060 install problem before.

Like DocQ says it's untrue that it won't boot without the '060 libs, it will most certainly boot if the accelerator is healthy but will probably crash on the setpatch line in startup-sequence and you'll get an angry red SOFTWARE FAILURE message on screen

Both me and DoctorQ have "been there, done that" when it comes to these things

 ;-)

[doctorq]

At times it may boot and crash, most times it will not boot. I have used 100's of Cyberstorms MKI, MKII, MKIII, PPC. depend's on firmware update, and version of 060. 040's seem to be ok.

There is a difference between working stable and booting. The computer will ALWAYS boot ok regardless if the correct libraries has been installed or not. The problem comes when actually loading any software, for instance Setpatch that might crash the computer and put it into a reboot cyclus.

It may crash without correct libraries installed, that is correct, but it will ALWAYS boot even with no libraries installed (since the libraries most times are loaded from disk anyway).

[rkauer]

 Looks more a connection problem to me.

 Try held the middle of the accelerator slot's back (on the Amiga) with a rubber (that you use to erase pencil) when inserting the card.

[webmany]

I have tried removing the HD and floppy, here get the insert disk screen.

Will try holding the middle down, holding the esc key and moving card back to the 3000 tonight.

[motorollin]

webmany wrote:
I have tried removing the HD and floppy, here get the insert disk screen.

Then the problem is software, not hardware. The machine is probably booting but hanging half way through because the 060 drivers are not installed.

webmany wrote:
Will try holding the middle down, holding the esc key and moving card back to the 3000 tonight.

Don't bother - you already know the card works since you get the Kickstart screen with no HDD attached.

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moto

[A4000_Mad]

@ webmany

Can you just confirm that you have now seen the insert disk screen at some point?

I ask because I have *never* been able to get the insert disk screen on an A4000 unless a healthy and correctly fitted CPU card is present. Has anybody??

If you have seen the screen then that is good news. If not, I would suggest doing your tests with only the CSMK3, PSU and 2MB RAM connected to the motherboard until you get the insert disk screen. Then when you get the screen add on the floppy and the HDD. After which it will be a case of sorting out your software as stated.

[amiga92570]

doctorq wrote:

At times it may boot and crash, most times it will not boot. I have used 100's of Cyberstorms MKI, MKII, MKIII, PPC. depend's on firmware update, and version of 060. 040's seem to be ok.

There is a difference between working stable and booting. The computer will ALWAYS boot ok regardless if the correct libraries has been installed or not. The problem comes when actually loading any software, for instance Setpatch that might crash the computer and put it into a reboot cyclus.

It may crash without correct libraries installed, that is correct, but it will ALWAYS boot even with no libraries installed (since the libraries most times are loaded from disk anyway).

Exactly, Booting means it is in the process of loading OS, too boot means it finishes the booting process. I have never had a cyberstorm (and I have owned plenty and still own 25 different boards) finish the booting process without the proper 060 libs, and most often it will hang with black screen or continue to reboot. Never experienced AmigaZ software failure message. I guess you learn something new every day.

[webmany]

I had a typo, I do NOT get the insert disk screen with the HD and floppy removed and the cyberstorm installed.

[A4000_Mad]

Yeah I guessed it was a typo mate. What's new?

[webmany]

And the winner is...

If I hold th board down in the middle, then everything works.  So how do I fix that?

[rkauer]

 Just make as I say before: when inserting the card, held the middle of CPU slot with an eraser rubber.

 That way you force the middle to connect like the outmost parts of the card's connector.

[amiga92570]

Kind of hard to type with one hand while pushing the card with the other though.  :lol:

[alexh]

Sounds like the board has warped (deformed) over time, heat, humidity etc. can do that.

The A3k probably warped at the same rate.

Or it's the A4k motherboard which is warped.

How are you going to decide which is which and get it back without risk?? Hmmm..

[webmany]

Managed to get it working by folding some paper and placing it under the connector approx  in the middle.  Works great now.

Thanks for all the help.