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NiCad>Lithium Battery Hack for Amiga 3000!?" Part 2
« on: July 04, 2006, 08:50:27 PM »
Hiya
I posted before with the title:
"NiCad>Lithium Battery Hack for Amiga 3000!?"

I had this information (below) about the items I needed for the A3000 battery hack but was wondering if the rechargable lithium was a better solution. Presumably that would last longer then a single non rechargable lithium battery?

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After finding the battery hack info from http://ftp.sunet.se/~aminet/dirs/hard_hack.html
and looking at the parts list..

"Diode - 1N914 Radio Shack 10 pack US$1.19 part# 276-1122
Battery Clip - Radio Shack US$1.99 part# 270-430
Battery - 3.6V coin/watch battery, clip can take either CR2025 or CR2032 type."

I presume this document is a good few years old so I just wanted to know wether the parts I have here are fully correct.

These are where I sourced the parts today via Maplins!

Correct Lithium Battery Holder:

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=32671&doy=1m6&criteria=lithium%20BATTERY%20CLIP

Correct Lithium Batteries (CR2025 or CR2032):

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=4470&DOY=1m6&criteria=CR2032

Correct Diode:

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Search.aspx?criteria=DIODE%201N914&menu=0&WorldSearch=Y&doy=1m6&ShowPics=true&Stock=28&MinPrice=0&MaxPrice=9999&SD=false

I'm not overly skilled with a soldering iron so i will have to ask someone to do the job (especially due the Amiga 3000 being a tad old and irreplacable to an extent!!)

If anyone knows of a better way to do this modification then I'm all ears

Appreciate any feedback!
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So what would the alternative parts be for the 'rechargable' option?? (and part numbers if possible!)
Obviously the same battery clip but different battery and no need for the diode????

I need to beg/borrow or steal a superkickstart 2.x disk as I cant do anything with this scsi drive. (this is after the battery hack is completed!!)

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Re: NiCad>Lithium Battery Hack for Amiga 3000!?" Part 2
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2006, 09:33:52 PM »
i wonder why you want to mesh with all this stuff.
just go to a shop that sales electronic parts and ask
for one of these babes. they cost 1.5 euro each :-)
3.6 volt 65mA/h
A3040/25 AmigaOS 3.9
A1260BPPC AmigaOS 3.9/4.0
Sam440ep AmigaOS 4.1.2
PegasosII/G3 AmigaOS 4.1.2/MorphOS 2.7/Debian 5.0.7/SUSE 11.1
MacMini/G4 1.5 MorphOS 2.7/OSX 10.5.8
Long Live Amiga

If i am going to have bugs on my system,
at least let me keep the latest versions.
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Re: NiCad>Lithium Battery Hack for Amiga 3000!?" Part 2
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2006, 09:51:15 PM »
Well I'm thinking of the future...I wouldnt want it to leak again!!  wether I keep the a3000 or someone else does
Taz
 

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Re: NiCad>Lithium Battery Hack for Amiga 3000!?" Part 2
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2006, 11:21:59 PM »
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I need to beg/borrow or steal a superkickstart 2.x disk


Hi, take a look at MakeSuperDisk as it may solve your disk requirement, assuming you have the appropriate ROM image to start with.

 - Ali

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Re: NiCad>Lithium Battery Hack for Amiga 3000!?" Part 2
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2006, 02:01:18 AM »
Hi,

For this type of decision, it's not really a matter of better or worse, but a personal preference.  I'm happy with having a non  rechargeable battery that will not leak (although I did my work before rechargeable coin batts were available).

If you are getting a tech to do the job, maybe you can just ask him/her to take care of the details.

The diode is to cut the recharging current.  If you use a rechargeable battery, you shouldn't use a diode.

If you like, you could compare the replacement battery's spec's with those of the original, to check that the recharge currents are within comparable limits.  It's probably not an issue though, and a tech should be able to take care of that for you without much trouble.  I think the computer probably has a current limiting resistor to control the recharge current onboard.  If need be, maybe that could be changed to suit the new battery.

If you get a tech to do your work, make sure it's someone you can trust, as there are some gung-ho 'she'll be right' cowboy types around.  Having said that, if you are into electronic hobbies, I would say it's well worth developing some basic skills and knowledge of your own.  If you are going to do helli's, then and understanding of electronics, and soldering skills will help you there too.  You can change motors and controllers etc. to give you that little bit extra, and for a much lower cost than what you can buy.  Seeing as it is a hobby, and not a job, the time spent should be part of the fun, and it gives a lot of satisfaction in the final result.
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Re: NiCad>Lithium Battery Hack for Amiga 3000!?" Part 2
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2006, 02:24:32 AM »
Well I think if I can't solder 3 connections on a Coin lithium battery holder onto a motherboard then that is pretty weak in the 'electronics hobby' department. :boohoo:

If your using the recharable battery option, what happens to the 3rd connector?
Can you get a 3 legged coin battery holder?
This is just crap being in the 'dark'  :-o
There is a good tutorial for replacing the RTC battery here...

http://amiga.serveftp.net/battery.html

But the chap says he hasn't done the same tutorial for the lithium alternative but he will eventually.

Anyone know of any step by step guide for this hack?  either lithium or recharable lithium?

I dont mind having a  go as long as I know roughly what I'm doing!!!   :getmad:

Thanks for the 'MakeSuperDisk' tip but that is only relevant if you have a fully function Amiga..I dont!!
I took out the boot scsi HD and chucked it and bought a 4.1 scsi HD for it. The original drive was 'chocobloc' with read errors.
So now when booting, it asks for the superkickstart 2.x disk. I dont have any kickstart disks atall.
I have ADF images but thats no good without a functioning Amiga!!
I chucked loads of amiga stuff years and years ago and that prob included my kickstart original floppies, sculpt 4d original floppies, 'Imagine' floppies, workbench floppies and the Commodore Amiga 'Binder' etc etc
Stupid i know but it's done now.
 

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Re: NiCad>Lithium Battery Hack for Amiga 3000!?" Part 2
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2006, 02:56:11 AM »
re: the three battery legs.

Have a look on your battery and motherboard.  Two of the battery's legs should be connected together (as in, they are one piece of metal, or a single 'node' in the circuit).  Likewise, the area of the motherboard to which they connect is likely a single area of copper.  Electrically, it's only two terminals on the battery.  Three 'legs' are used for physical strength and stability, but there are only two electrodes involved + and -.  So, you won't need a 3 legged coin battery holder, and it probably won't fit exactly where the old battery was (I haven't looked at the circuit; I'm just guessing).

Spending some time understanding the fundamentals of electronics will allow you to realise this sort of thing just by doing a quick inspection by eye.  It's well worth the effort.

I thought there were a couple of guides around for Li hacks for the 3000.  You may have to look at a couple of dozen pages to get what you want, but I think it's around somewhere.
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Re: NiCad>Lithium Battery Hack for Amiga 3000!?" Part 2
« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2006, 05:48:44 AM »
So i if was doing the original a3000 battery hack, where would the diode be and connected to what?
To one of the 2 terminals?

I understand a normal battery setup, 2 terminals...a positive and a negative and obviously both are required to power an electrical device via battery or be used to 'charge' a rechargable battery.

I just wasn't sure about this 3rd leg (connector) or the diode position

 

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Re: NiCad>Lithium Battery Hack for Amiga 3000!?" Part 2
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2006, 05:49:35 AM »
I removed the original battery and the legs!. I have 3 contact points on the A3000 motherboard.
If I do decide to do the job myself, could someone kindly adviseme  to the the corrct part numbers? (maplins)for the rechargable setup (so presumably no 3rd wire!!)

Including the recharble battery itself
Battery clip

Only 2 items needed for the recharable lithium setup??

Pete

 

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Re: NiCad>Lithium Battery Hack for Amiga 3000!?" Part 2
« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2006, 07:14:25 PM »
Well I didnt get any response to the request for part numbers for the 'lithium rechargable option' hack for the A3000. I shall go ahead and purchase the non rechargable bits of which I already have the part numbers.
I'm still browsing the amiga pages of many amiga sites and cant find any 'step by step' guide for the lithium battery hack (non rechargable)

I still need a superkickstart disk 2.x and NO i haven't got the original roms. Jeeze I will even borrow it if thats what it takes.
My enthusiasm is dwindling week by week, when you cant get what you need
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Re: NiCad>Lithium Battery Hack for Amiga 3000!?" Part 2
« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2006, 08:27:09 PM »
Look at my image gallery for my close up of my lithium hack on a A3000D.

http://www.amiga.org/gallery/index.php?n=813=11
Going Bananas over AMIGAs since 1987...

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Re: NiCad>Lithium Battery Hack for Amiga 3000!?" Part 2
« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2007, 11:25:32 PM »
Well It's been over a year since I got my Amiga 3000 out, dusted it off, found NiCad leakage, removed battery and hopefully cleaned up the mess!. This was when I posted about advice of doing an A3000 lithium battery hack (beginning of this short thread).

I lost my enthusiam for a while and put the Amiga away.
I'm looking into getting it sorted now. The only difference is now I have been given an old dusty Amiga 500 (no PSU brick unfortunately!).

If I can get a PSU I can see if it works with the Commodore 1950 monitor that I have for the A3000. I'm so out of touch with Amiga hardware etc as I'm so used to PC hardware now.
Thanks 'TjLaZer' for your closeup of your A3000 battery hack. It's a good reference for us noobies!

Can I ask what type of diode is that?