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Offline Castellen

Re: A3000D - NTSC Screeen Issue
« Reply #14 from previous page: February 08, 2025, 10:37:05 PM »
Forgot to put the jumper (J482) back!. Once I did that - all looks to be ok.

The clock waveform doesn't look great, are you sure you have the probe ground connected correctly?  The easiest place is usually on the top lead of the flicker fixer enable switch, which happens to be a convenient ground connection point.

Also make sure your probe is set to x10 (for 10M Ohms impedance).  With J482 set to the open loop position, you should be able to get the PLL free-running centre frequency very close to to what it should be; doesn't need to be exact.  The range of the white trimmer capacitor is likely to be close enough if that table is correct.  Otherwise you can put the original trimmer back in to see how that performs by comparison.

No idea where you were seeing ~10MHz, you'd need to describe how and where things are connected, and what's displayed on the scope.


 

Offline TumbleweedTopic starter

Re: A3000D - NTSC Screeen Issue
« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2025, 02:34:34 PM »
Probe wasnt grounded properly.  ::)

Weed
A3000T, Cybervision64, CSMKII 060; A3000D, PicassoII, Z3 Fastlane; A2000D, 040, PicassoII; A4000D, A1200, Blizzard 030 MKIV  (not working - next project)
 

Offline TumbleweedTopic starter

Re: A3000D - NTSC Screeen Issue
« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2025, 03:43:47 PM »
The only issue I still have is with the Picasso II which has scrambled video. While I had the case open I swapped it out for another Picasso II that I have in my A2000. All working ok in the 3000D. Looks like I knackered the PII in the 3000D. I'll have a look at it when I can find time and see if I get the same result in the 2000D, but I'm happy with the 3000D.

All this cause I wanted to upgrade my 4000D to a 060. Swapping cards between different Amiga's to test without due care and not appreciatingt these machines are now 30+ years old is a lesson I wont forget.

If there are any positives to come out of this debacle - I've learned some new skills and acquired some new tools (Ossilloscope). :)

Weed
« Last Edit: February 09, 2025, 08:13:17 PM by Tumbleweed »
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Offline TumbleweedTopic starter

Re: A3000D - NTSC Screeen Issue
« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2025, 08:12:33 PM »
Hi all,

Does anyone know where I can source schematics for the Picasso II?

Im trying to fix the PII but I dont really know what Im looking for. I have two PIIs - a v1.4 (which is the one that is no longer working) and a v1.6 which was in my A2000 (working fine in my 3000D). Ive spent some time probing around with my scope on both. The only difference I can see between them is the voltage on the crystal. The v1.4 is less than half that on the v1.6; frequency is the same 14.33 mhz.

Could the crystal be bad? or some other fault?

Weed
« Last Edit: February 16, 2025, 08:22:25 PM by Tumbleweed »
A3000T, Cybervision64, CSMKII 060; A3000D, PicassoII, Z3 Fastlane; A2000D, 040, PicassoII; A4000D, A1200, Blizzard 030 MKIV  (not working - next project)
 

Offline Castellen

Re: A3000D - NTSC Screeen Issue
« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2025, 05:50:35 AM »
Does anyone know where I can source schematics for the Picasso II?

Could the crystal be bad? or some other fault?

I've never seen schematics available for the Picasso II.

Doesn't look like an issue with the crystal, it's running at the correct frequency.  You'll also get different voltages depending if you're measuring on the input or output side of the crystal oscillator, i.e. one side of the crystal will have a larger AC waveform than the other.  You should be using the scope probe in x10 mode to avoid loading the oscillator too much.

Picasso II repairs are usually a lot of guesswork.  The last few of these I've repaired have been faulty GD5428, which you normally need to find on old PC graphics cards, look on Ebay.  But that's not to say that's the problem or not in this case.

You could exchange some parts such as the DRAMs between the working and non-working boards to narrow down potential problems.  I've no idea exactly what the differences are between the rev 1.4 and 1.6 boards.
 

Offline TumbleweedTopic starter

Re: A3000D - NTSC Screeen Issue
« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2025, 07:53:16 AM »
Thanks Castellen. Probe is in x10 mode and I've measured on the same side of the crystal on both boards. If its case of trial and error I was thinking of the following:

1. Replace the crystal
2. Replace the caps - there's not many of them - and my desoldering/soldering is good enough to remove / replace.
3. I can swap out socketed chips. Was nervous about doing so in case there is a fault on the board that damages them and then I end up with two broken PIIs
4. Replace the relays
5. Replace resistors
6. Replace the GD5428 (think I have one in my box of PC boards) - replacing this will push my soldering skills (I'm not very good with drag soldering)

There are a couple of PII clone projects on git hub and I've seen a repicasso II board (but I cant find schematics or other details for it)

Weed
A3000T, Cybervision64, CSMKII 060; A3000D, PicassoII, Z3 Fastlane; A2000D, 040, PicassoII; A4000D, A1200, Blizzard 030 MKIV  (not working - next project)
 

Offline Castellen

Re: A3000D - NTSC Screeen Issue
« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2025, 07:00:14 AM »
1. Replace the crystal
2. Replace the caps - there's not many of them - and my desoldering/soldering is good enough to remove / replace.
3. I can swap out socketed chips. Was nervous about doing so in case there is a fault on the board that damages them and then I end up with two broken PIIs
4. Replace the relays
5. Replace resistors
6. Replace the GD5428 (think I have one in my box of PC boards) - replacing this will push my soldering skills (I'm not very good with drag soldering)

1. I don't expect it's an issue with the crystal since it's oscillating at the correct frequency, the voltage levels on the GD5428 xtal-in pin only need to be meeting the high/low detection threshold of whatever the GD5428 needs, the datasheet will have that detail.  But if you want to test the crystal theory, you'd be better to exchange the crystal from the working board.  You won't know the characteristics of the existing crystal (i.e. load capacitance, series or parallel load), and if you get these wrong in whatever you select as the replacement crystal, you'll have new problems such as the oscillator not starting reliably, or at all.

2. The capacitors appear to be just general AC decoupling on the DC supply, I don't see how they'd affect the issue.  i.e. I expect you'll find that the board would run without the decoupling capacitors.

3. Exchanging socketed ICs is quick and easy with low risk if you're careful about removing/inserting them in sockets.  If you can't reliably remove or fit the DIP devices without bending the pins and putting in them in backwards, then this is probably best avoided.

4. You're getting some degree of video signal, so unless it's missing a sync signal from the VGA connector, then I doubt that's causing the issue.  They look like fairly generic double pole relays, you can soon test them in circuit.  When the coil is energised, both pairs of normally open contacts should be closed.  They might also have normally closed contacts which connects to the 'common' pin when the coil isn't energised.  Find a datasheet from a similar relay and you'll soon understand the pinout.  Besides, the contacts typically start going intermittent before they fail completely, and I'm picking the video issue is permanent.

5. It's even more unlikely you'll have an open circuit resistor unless something is physically damaged.  Either way, you should be able to sanity check them in-circuit using an Ohmmeter.

6. I've no idea what drag soldering is, presumably something involving wearing clothes of the opposite gender.  Not into that myself.  The correct way is to wick off the old solder from the QFP pads, clean with isopropyl, apply no-clean flux, run a single line of solder paste over the pads, position the QFP device accurately on the pads, then reflow with hot air.  Only takes a few minutes and you can even wear your normal clothes.  If you have a spare GD5428 on hand, this is the first thing I'd try.  You might need to find someone to do the soldering for you.
 

Offline TumbleweedTopic starter

Re: A3000D - NTSC Screeen Issue
« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2025, 08:22:24 PM »
Thanks Castellen. Youre comment re soldering made me laugh  :D

This is what I was referencing:

https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=drag+soldering&mid=AB87A33CCDDB449C0B31AB87A33CCDDB449C0B31&FORM=VIRE

I'll swapt the chips form the good board at the weekend.

Weed
A3000T, Cybervision64, CSMKII 060; A3000D, PicassoII, Z3 Fastlane; A2000D, 040, PicassoII; A4000D, A1200, Blizzard 030 MKIV  (not working - next project)