Ilwrath: As I recall VideoScape 3D didn't orginally have a modelling program - I think you had to create ascii text files 'describing' your object. It was published by a company called Aegis (no relation :-D at some point the author, Allen Hastings met up with Stuart Ferguson who'd written a geometry modelling app called simply 'Modeler' which could output VideoScape object files - Aegis marketed them both for a while but eventually went under whereupon the two programmers found themselves at NewTek at around the same time a chap called Tim Jenison was telling people his company was working on a "new kind of toaster". The rest as they say is history. (Oh, and Stuart's geometry modelling app is still called 'Modeler' :-)