Area Network Amiga to W,Xp

[jump2bnaked]

  After 3 years of search i finaly found one. An Ariadne 2 card. I am trying to network my Draco to the Xp box that I have here. The trouble is how to go about it.
   The Xp box is alrealdy online through an ADSL and working fine. Now i want to hook the Draco to it so that I can read the data on both machines.
    Fixing the network card in the Draco and configuring it is not the biggest problem. It is the setting up of the network that freightens me. You know those ( DCHP, PPP,POP3,MP4  & those lotto numbers 192.134.007. ....) Ping me here ping me there.
    I have read the tuitorials about Samba & understand it quite ok but that is windows 98. Anybody done it succsfully with W,Xp?
    I need to do this as I use the W,xp box to render my LightWave sequences. I am running WB 3,9 on the Draco and I have netconnect V3. I am about to purchase router hub tomorrow which I believe will sit between the incoming ADSL and the Xp box then the Draco also gose into the router hub. I maybe wrong, if so correct me. From here I will have to configure both systems to see each others drives, but how.
   Pleas help as transfering 15,000 frames from Movieshop unto a 125Mb SyQuest medium is no joke.  


boateng@wanadoo.dk

[AxE]

still cant get mine to work
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1699

[seer]

Never mind.

@AxE..

Ah what the hell.. Another edit, Looks like kenny posted the question for you in mentioned thread, but did you try making bothe gateways the same IP ?

[AxE]

why would i make both the gateways have the same IP, thats not how you setup a network

[Ilwrath]

C'mon people.... this isn't rocket science.

You connect an Amiga to a network the same way you do any other machine.  (And I should know... I have two Windows machines, a linux boxen, a TiVo, an SGI, and two Amigas on mine...  I am thinking about somehow getting a C64 on too, but that's for another post.)

Anyhow, it sounds like you have it figured out, Jump2b....

You need connectivity (TCP/IP) before any clients (SaMBa, FTP, etc) will work.  

For that, you hook the ADSL into the uplink on the router, and then the PC and Amiga into the regular ports on the router.  Make sure you have the router configured properly (most easily done from the PC by following the instructions that come with the router) and the Amiga can most likely use DHCP (from Miami, Genesis, or whatever TCP/IP package you use), and be done.  

Once you get the PC on-line and able to surf the internet, you'll know your ADSL and router are working right.  Then get the Amiga to go out and hit the internet.  Then you'll know that the router, Amiga, and PC all have valid IP setups.  This is 3/4ths of the battle.  The PC and Amiga should also be able to "ping" each other here.  (You may choose to test this to make sure, but I haven't seen a time when this wasn't the case.)  

Once you know the physical networking is in place, then you can mess around with one of the many on-line Samba tutorials, or say "screw this" and just transfer files over FTP or any other IP-based protocol.  Personally, I haven't had great luck with Samba on the Amiga, and I simply run an FTP daemon on my Linux box, and AmiFTP from the Amiga to send and recieve through FTP.  Samba on the linux box maps well to Windows XP and Windows 2000 shares, though, so it is possible, I just haven't messed with it enough.  

[seer]

> why would i make both the gateways have the same IP, thats not how you setup a network

Really ? I'd better redo 115 networks tomorow then..

tcp/ip configuration (Bit old, but it does its job..)

If you use a network you only have 1 gateway usually, sometimes 2, so all PC's in the same network have the same gatway, subnet mask and most likely the same DNS. This even aplies when the entire network only consists of 2 computers and a router.

BTW I guess in your case the router is the gateway..... :-o

[jump2bnaked]

Ilwrath
  Thanks for the inspiration. At least it has given me som boldness to tackle the situation.
  I hoped some one had such a configuration so they coul send it to me and all i had to do was to install it in the right pace/places and voila, but it seem to be the other way round.
  Although i am going to purchase the tomorrow, I may have to wait til i have completed a movie i am editing at the moment. As installing Wb 3.9 gave me a hectick BRAIN PAIN.
  Now that about the FTP sounds quite interesting. How does one go about that?

  Thanks in advance.  

[seer]

FTP is pretty simple, there are many FTP server progs for Windows, and for the Amy there are some to, just use google to find them for Windows or install the IIS FTP services (Make sure you enable the adminstrative tools in the startbar for easy access), and maybe Aminet for the Amiga..

Don't know much about the Amy ones, but FTP servers are in general more secure then sharing the windows folders, still, if you want to share folders in XP, turn off the "use simple file sharing" under tools/folder options [view] (The tools menu when you open a folder in Windows).. Make sure you don't share the root of you Widows PC, only some folders, then share in the properties dialog, not forgetting the security settings of the SHARE, not the folder/files.. Well, some people seem to think it's saver anyway...

[AxE]

i dont have a router i have two ethernet cards, if you have any ideas feel free to suggest them on this topic Here

jump2bnaked. sorry for nearly hijacking your post :nervous:

[Ilwrath]

i dont have a router i have two ethernet cards, if you have any ideas feel free to suggest them on this topic

Well, regardless of the situation, you want to put first things first.  

Basic TCP/IP connectivity MUST be working before any other stuff stands a prayer.  This is why it's critical to get your router configured before even bothering to mess with file sharing options (poking at those settings early on will only mess you up later.)

In your case, AxE, your "router" will be in software on the Windows machine, and your "uplink" is the network card that goes to the DSL, and your "hub port 1" is the other network card (crossover -> Amiga).  You must make sure that whatever software you're using on the PC to make it route packets is configured right.  It can be a real pain, and sometimes confusing, but it must be sorted out before anything else will work.  

Which brings me to my next point....  Each network is a little different.  There isn't really a "magic" template that can be copied from one instance and will work perfectly in another.  There are different setups and needs to be addressed.  This does take at least some minor amounts of research and understanding.  A pre-built product like a packaged router contains instructions, and from those, you can get the PC up and running, and get a feel for how you'd adapt that configuration to work on the Amiga.  

With a homebuilt system, you have more variables.  Microsoft's Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) doesn't always magically configure itself right.  You may need to get in there and get your hands dirty with a few on-line tutorials, and learn a little bit about how TCP/IP works.  It's your "cost" for saving a few bucks.  It's not a question that can be answered by a general "how do I do it?" post.  (If it were you'd be seeing FAQs on it, right??)  There's a lot of ways to do it.  Some will have more in common with your situation than others.

If you aren't familiar with networking, your easiest option is surely to pick up a Linksys DSL share router.  They're generally pretty cheap, easy on power, and much easier to configure than a software router.  I currently run a software router, and have thought about going to a LinkSys just for space, heat, noise and electricity savings, alone.

[sackbut3]

In your case, AxE, your "router" will be in software on the Windows machine, and your "uplink" is the network card that goes to the DSL, and your "hub port 1" is the other network card (crossover -> Amiga). You must make sure that whatever software you're using on the PC to make it route packets is configured right. It can be a real pain, and sometimes confusing, but it must be sorted out before anything else will work.

Hmm...how is the the "router" software accessed?  I too have an XP machine networked with my Amy, but I  am using a "hub" with the uplink from my job's network providing internet access,  with port  1 being the XP and port 2 Amiga.
I also have samba installed but can't get any consistent results in file sharing.  Sometimes it will ping, sometimes not.  When it does work, I can see Amiga as one of my "network places" on XP, but if I try to open it it asks for a password that I don't remember setting, so I can't get in.
Can't figure it out...worked fine when I had it networked with a Win98 machine.  :-?