Java

[filson]

@DaveP

and we don't think you are essential  :-D  :-D  :-D
sorry. ;-)

[filson]

On a serious note, if we don't make a port or get some kaffe running for AOS 4, how are the Amiga going to enter the Enterprise sector where buying 200 machines is just a signature away?

Perhaps you all can enlighten me on this? I doubt maya/3dmax will be very willing to port their stuff and SAP/R4 allready runs very nicely with Java, not to mention that ensurance companies seem to like it alot too.

[DaveP]

Im not. Im a nice to have.

[Santa]

It's no secret that the Amiga market dried out quite a bit compared to 1990. We still have a couple of good apps and games, but some areas are a pity.
We are in difficult times (I wouldn't say hopeless).
There is not much acceptance for our platform of choice. The platform can barely feed the remaining developers. This is no selfcontaining situation.
What we need is a bigger community buying apps and spreading the name further.
To get a bigger community it would help to have more apps and games so a bigger number of people can satisfy there computing needs with an Amiga.
Porting Java SE 1.4 over to Amiga would allow a huge stack of apps to run on Amiga.
I'd prefer native applications on Amiga anyday. But this will take more time and time is nothing we have plenty of.

Java applications don't suck performancewise in general. It's bad coding style, which has most impact on speed. I've been working on a number of commercial Java projects and with a proper design speed is not an issue.

Regards,
Santa

[Fozzy]

@Santa: Good post, at least someone has a clue.

I use the development tools almost daily, JBuilder(s) and XML generators. Additionally, the codecs supplied by JVMF will add extra media capabilities to the new platform.

Certainly the networking API's are desireable.  

[filson]

It touches my heart to see that someone realy think about what will help the Amiga now and later.  :-D  :-D

[mikeymike]

@ Fozzy

I think you've got me wrong - I'm not saying literally "no-one uses Java", I'm not saying it's utterly useless either.  All I am saying is, people keep saying how absolutely necessary it is that Java gets ported to OS4 asap, without really taking into account that normally, everyday usage, not many people actually use Java.  If whoever is a person that uses Java day in, day out, then they have a good reason to be wanting Java to be ported as soon as possible, but I don't get the random flagwaving in Java's favour, which is why I asked who actually uses it on a semi-regular basis to try and get my point across.

I think AOS4 should get Java sooner rather than later, just like the porting of quite a few popular applications such as Mozilla and OpenOffice need to happen to boost the credibility of the platform, as well as providing the stepping-stone for many users to move to AOS4 and know they can use a familiar product on the unfamiliar platform, so the risk seems less.