Just what the HELL is Bill doing ?

[dammy]

 by Paul_Gadd on 2003/3/17 17:19:17

Amiga inc need to stop talking and start producing/releasing products instead of making announcements.

No matter how many people are out in force to defend their honour there is still going to be the normal people (myself included) which are not going to fall for the same old crap coming from those guys.

What I don't understand, why anyone would think Amiga Inc is relevent at all to the Amiga Community?  Hyperion, yeah, they are very relevent because of OS4.  If DE never came out for OS4, who would miss it?  If the majority of folks do not care if OS4 has or  doesn't have DE, why even talk about Amiga Inc at all?

Dammy

[Spidey]

Hello xaccrocheur,

What do you think about the following sentence in that article:

"....Amiga has over 3,000 developers creating content...."

Can anyone tell more about this part.
To me I read it like mr. Bill McEwen has got so many people in his company to make stuff?! :-?
Then why not making OS4?

About Amiga Inc. and Genesi I had a discussion with a very close friend, he still has his A500 for Supercars II :-), but now he also has a pc :-( :-).
If you look at both parties involved, they both said that at this moment with only developing for the Amiga communtiy they can't sustain their companies so they have to make money doing something else (that's logical). With that money they can start making stuff for the Amiga community.

Now look what's being made by both companies for third parties.
One is making games or so for Windows devices.
The other is selling their Pegasos-hardware and software (MorphOS) as settop boxes.

Ok, the making of the software for Windows devices isn´t directly related to the software we use now, or will use when OS4 will come (hopefully soon). But in the bigger picture you should be able to use it when OS5 is finished, anyway that's what we've been told.
Well, when OS5 hits the street, no one will remember the software of now! (that's my peronal opinion).

Look what the other company is doing with  third parties. They are selling  the same hardware and software to third parties as to their customers (at this moment members of the Amiga community).

What's my point of view with this all?

Amiga Inc. is making stuff not directly related to and for the Amiga community of now and Genesi is doing the opposite. They made their hard- and software for this community and they are selling the same stuff to third parties. In that way they stay closer to their plan than Amiga Inc is doing.

These are my personal feelings for a long time now and I wanted it to share it with you all.

What do you all think of this what I mentioned above?

Spidey

[Paul_Gadd]

@Dammy

What I don't understand, why anyone would think Amiga Inc is relevent at all to the Amiga Community?

It has to be the name "Amiga" as i can not understand how anyone would defend and praise a company like that at all.

This Amiga defending and praising has gone to far, why not praise them when they do something good? instead of defending and apologising for them all the time and making silly excuses for them.

Amiga is a computer and OS not a cult.

For tips on apologising click HERE  :-P

[Warface]

Concerning Bill McEwen I have ambivalent emotions.

At first, don't forget that he did stick to Amiga while Collas disappeared. A good point.

Yet, under his leadership Amiga Inc. had the same PR as before, broken promises, deadlines, announcements, and worse of all, the Microsoft alliance. (Of which the latest may be as well rated as a positive one tho)

I have chosen to care little about him, as in my eyes he is not more Amigan as for example Jim Collas was. (or even less) He has a business to run, I doubt he shares our emotions towards the name and the community.

I don't think he made actions recently which deserve heated attacks upon him. The last time for that was an interview in november/december (can't remember the exact date) stating OS4 will be out in 3 weeks.

As to OS4, and a date of vaporware status.... It's pretty silly, but that is strictly IMHO. I won't declare OS4 as vaporware until discontinuation is officially announced. Timedates (now july) have increased from time to time, usually with intervals ranging from 2 weeks to 2 months, depending on the person making the estimation. This goes on since 2-3 years... If you believe in OS4 don't set up deadlines you have to modify. I still believe OS4 will be reality. People a bit more rational nowadays, only a few believes in a release in 2 weeks, but who cares? It will see the light one day, development is continuous to this day, I see no reason to worry.

Maybe it's a rant, but this is my opinion upon the Amiga Inc/Bill McEwen/OS4 subject.

[Dan]

Who in hell cares about DE???
And what exactly is OS 5.0 from Amiga DE Inc, does it have anything at all to do with the real AmigaOS (3.1/4.0)

[takemehomegrandma]

Dan wrote:
Who in hell cares about DE???
And what exactly is OS 5.0 from Amiga DE Inc, does it have anything at all to do with the real AmigaOS (3.1/4.0)

Shouldn't we wait to see when/if OS4 materializes before even *thinking* about OS5? Just my two eurocents ...

[xaccrocheur]

Hello xaccrocheur,

What do you think about the following sentence in that article:

"....Amiga has over 3,000 developers creating content...."



Can anyone tell more about this part.

Hi Spid

Yep, I'm wondering, I'm a dev, working on an amiga project right now, and I never got a phone call

Well, when OS5 hits the street, no one will remember the software of now! (that's my peronal opinion).

Well I think takemehomegrandma (?! :-P !?) is quite right in saying "Shouldn't we wait to see when/if OS4 materializes before even *thinking* about OS5? "

I mean... I never though I could DOUBT so much :-o

pX

[Spidey]

Hello xaccrocheur,

Yep, I'm wondering, I'm a dev, working on an amiga project right now, and I never got a phone call

Maybe you're already one of those 3000 developers and Amiga Inc. didn't bother you with details or so? :-)

About OS4/OS5:

I honestly believe in Hyperion delivering OS4 to the public. So I don't want to think about OS4 NOT coming out for public.
OS5 was only hypothetical to illustrate my point. :-)

But, what do you think about the making part for third parties?
I'm thinking about the possibilities that perhaps that market is more viable for Amiga Inc. than the Amiga market and that they don't want to spend more money in it? That would be bad for the future (not for OS4 I think).

Spidey