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Offline Siggy

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Re: Video editing - some advice please!!
« on: March 04, 2003, 02:14:03 PM »
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*(because real pro's dont like the interface)..


Actually we do ;-).

I'm not a fan of the Microsoft environment (far from it). But until video applications for Linux (such as Cinelera) mature, or the Amiga makes a comeback, I'm stuck with it.

At work I use an Avid Symphony, and for freelance work (the 'home' system) I use mainly Premier and After Effects. Going from work to home isn't that much of an environment change (of course I do prefer the system at work - but who has that kind of cash to throw around?)

After spending years with the production board and deck paradigm, the last thing I want to see is a graphic representation of it. I'd rather stare at 'clippy the microsoft paperclip' until my eyes bleed.

Simplicity and abstraction - an interface that enables me to manipulate my work quickly and efficiently. That's what makes a good interface.

I do have a 2000 with a toaster, I use it to live switch on multiple camera shoots - In this capacity it's a great low cost solution, but I agree with you on the editing front, you can get much more bang for buck elsewhere.

Siggy.
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Re: Video editing - some advice please!!
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2003, 12:07:49 AM »
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Siggy it sounds like you have the Amiga 2000 version of the Toaster without a Flyer card.


Indeed this is the case. I bought it based on past experience with it to perform the function of a live switcher.  It performs its duties admirably, and is cheaper than buying a production board (which I will eventually get anyway). Again - it I am using this for LIVE work.

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That vs an Amiga 4000T with Video Toaster 4000 & Flyer are worlds apart. You don't need decks with the Flyer like you did with Toaster 2.1 or 3.1
software.


No doubt they are - but my post wasn't in dispute of any of these points.. It was replying to a post that said that 'Professional Editors want a software interface that looks like the equipment' - as a professional editor, I was saying that this isn't true.

What I was talking about was the preferred 'interface' not about any specific software or product.

In this regard I am neither pro-premier, nor anti-toaster.

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If you had a Flyer you would love it over Premire trust me. Also, on an Amiga 4000 the VT has many, many real-time color effects.


I'll have to look at it myself to really judge that - but I doubt that it would be able to do the work that I need to get done effectively, again I'd have to see the system working to make a final judgement on that.
Note - I am not 'poo pooing' anyones setup - but when I mention my  'freelance work' I am talking about things like high quality television commercials, and my 'home system' being a system set up soley for the purpose of high end video production (and is used for nothing else).
 My needs are obviously a LOT different than the average user (to which my advice was looking into all alternatives and your existing hardware to get the best 'bang-for-buck' that suits your needs).

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The production board and deck paradigm is not something you would be dealing with if you added a Flyer to your Toaster system.


Again - I was replying to a post that spoke of the preferences of professional editors - as a professional editor that's worked on both high end production boards and high end non-linear systems, I was giving my opinion on that.

As it stands at the moment - I'm more than likely upgrading my edit system to Avid DV Express later this year, and I'll be keeping an eye on the new Amigas to see where they head in the realms of video - when Toaster came out it (like the Amiga itself) was way ahead of it's time, and I'd like to see the new systems do to Avid what the Toaster did for production boards (i.e. give a cheap and powerful alternative).

Cheers.

Siggy.


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Re: Video editing - some advice please!!
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2003, 05:47:08 AM »
@Tigger

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NAB start on April 7th. New software (and maybe some surprises) will be shown by a number of people.


Yep - the day after my birthday, and right here in Las Vegas.  I'm looking forward to going and checking it all out.

If anyone else is going we should do the hookup.

Cheers
Siggy.
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The TV business is uglier than most things.
 It is normally perceived as some kind of cruel and shallow money trench through the heart of the Journalism industry, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free and good men die like dogs,