GlowRevolution v2 RELEASED!

[Andre.Siegel]

I am sorry to say this, but the icon set includes stolen artwork. "Lorraine Design" has included graphics which they have no right to redistribute whatsoever. Not even credit was given.

I hope this behaviour will stop immediately.

[Andre.Siegel]

more info please..

I don't understand your question. As the creator of the icon collection,  you should know best what icons were done by yourself and which ones belong to other people/companies. Not me or anybody else.

Asking for hints by the readers of amiga.org which icons might be illegally included in your set, is a bit strange.

Unless there is a notice which says "freely distributable", you must always ask the copyright owner for permission if you want to redistribute their work. And if you do not know 100% if something is freely distributable or are too lazy to find out, DO NOT INCLUDE IT.

No offence, but what you did was just plain wrong.  Period.

[Andre.Siegel]

Gee, you must have been REALLY pissed about the Glow Icons CD from back in the day.

Don't be silly. This is a totally different situation. Would you consider it okay if someone ripped all of Apple's MacOSX icons and did the Amiga community "a favour" by releasing them for free or maybe even on CDROM? Apple has all the rights in the world to not want this to happen. The beauty of MacOSX is one of its most attractive features. And since they are the copyright holders, they can do with those icons whatever they want.

If someone sits down and creates icons from scratch which look almost like MacOSX, that is a totally different situation. "Looking similar" is not illegal, using the original graphics without permission by its authors is.

If anything, you could have informed the artist about it, letting him/her speak on his own behalf or if you are, indeed the said artist, you could have quietly asked her to cease and desist, instead of openly bashing her on a public forum.

The icon pack included icons from more than one author which were redistributed without permission (and without giving credit). This was NOT just about one icon.

So, this clearly wasn't an "accident".

The fact remains that she did the community a favor by creating a PNG icon set, not for money, but because she wanted to do something FOR the community.

That is all great unless illegal activities are involved. Period.

It's people like you that make me despise parts of the open-source community.

What are you talking about? For your information, the OpenSource community is about freely distributable, non-protected work. I fail to understand what this has to do with the fact that cYbo's icon set included copyrighted artwork which is part of a commercial closed-source product.

Anyway, cYbo realized the mistake and removed the respective icons from the icon set. There is no need to discuss this matter any further.

[Andre.Siegel]

How is it different? The original designer of Glow Icons was Matt Chaput, who copyrighted it. The Glow Icons CD contained icons that were *NOT* created by Matt, but USED his icons as a base (as was done here)

cYbo included *ORIGINAL* MorphOS (and other) icons which had not been modified AT ALL. Those icons weren't used as "a base" but reused unchanged.

for a commercial product (which was *NOT* done here)!

Matt's icons are available as FREEWARE. That is a fairly big difference compared to MorphOS icons which ARE NOT.

What she did is no different than the other icons sets made by other amiga users, except that you decided to take it out on her for 'using copyrighted material' when you said nothing about any of the others.

I am one of the artists contributing to MorphOS. So, if someone illegally redistributes MorphOS artwork, I will NOT keep my mouth shut about it. Other icon sets which are not related to MorphOS in any way, are of no interest to me.

I feel the same about you. You may not have liked what she did, but alot of us, myself included, appreciate the work that she DID put into them.

Are you able to read? I did not comment about the quality of the icon set AT ALL.

Until an 'official' PNG set is created, we are forced to scavenging and 'stealing' the icons we like, for what we want to use them for.

Ah, right. And since you cannot afford that Porsche car until you win the lottery, you are FORCED to steal it for what you want to use it for in the meantime.

That makes it perfectly legal and morally right, of course. NOT.

Wouldn't the said 'likeness' of MorphOS be classified as 'illegal'? I mean, after all, it *IS* a clone of the Amiga OS?

Do you have even the slightest bit of knowledge about legal matters? If you had, you wouldn't have asked that question.

Plus, this is totally unrelated. Writing a piece of software which works similar to Microsoft Word is NOT the same as redistributing illegal WAREZ versions of MS Word. Even a 5-year-old should be able to realize the difference.

By the way, you are certainly not helping cYbo by turning this into a useless flamefest. Again, cYbo admitted her wrong-doing and acted accordingly. End of story.

[Andre.Siegel]

If HE had just said from the beginning that he was one of the contributing artists, this wouldn't have happened, but he didn't.

It simply didn't matter if I was part of the MorphOS team or not. This does not change the fact that something wrong had happened. And you are in no position to forbid me from speaking out openly about the matter.

If you have a problem with what I said, inform the moderators of amiga.org. They are the ones who decide what is acceptable, not you. Unless you apply to become a moderator yourself, that is.

He came openly hostile; he was looking for blood.

Well, I wasn't the one in the this thread who used swear words and called people "jerks"...

It was about using MorphOS's icons for the AmigaOS ... It wasn't about the Amiga getting something better. It was about the Reds 'stealing' from the Blues. Obviously Andre isn't about the Amiga. He's about the Pegasos. Bojan, you took an unnecessary hit from someone who just wanted to 'hurt a Red'.

You are being paranoid. I would have acted the exact same way if someone had released MorphOS artwork for Windows, MacOS or Linux.

The platform does not matter at all when someone releases parts of a commercial product on the internet without permission.

he chose to bash you openly about it, probably using that version of VoyagerNG, originally written for the AmigaOS to post it.  

The Voyager authors are part of the MorphOS development team. MorphOS has included a MorphOS-native version of this browser since ages. There is no need to use the AmigaOS3.1 version.

"originally written for AmigaOS" does not mean that the authors cannot port the software to whatever Operating System they like, of course. If you think otherwise, grab a pencil and write letters to the makers of LightWave, Directory Opus, SCALA, etc. who all have ported their Amiga software to more promising platforms by now. Oh, and don't forget to let us know about their answers.