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Reporting pirates on eBay
« on: August 18, 2005, 04:01:24 AM »
call me lazy or incompetent, but I find ebaY's website very difficult to navigate, e.g. when you want to make a complaint or something. How would I go about reporting this for example?

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Re: Reporting pirates on eBay
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2005, 12:21:28 PM »
Jesus guys, do you think I'm going to the hassle of reporting him?
I just wanted to know HOW, and quoted an example of an auction, as I have seen a few auctions where I would like to report the person in question as they have overstepped the mark.

Some of you guys should learn to read English more carefully.
'How WOULD I go about....'

Does anyone here see the distinction between that and

'I want to....'


Anyway, in response to Boing specifically, selling other people's work is wrong IMO. If I wrote some software back in the eighties and some smelly little oik was selling copies of it on eBay, I'd be bloody annoyed. If it was freely distributed on the internet, I wouldn't mind.

Do you see the difference?
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Re: Reporting pirates on eBay
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2005, 01:04:15 PM »
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I wouldnt care to report anyone.. unless its some new game thats out and being sold as copies.. if its old stuff...and located in the USA... hell, I'd probably bid on it.  :lol:


Well I wouldn't either - too much bloody hassle!
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Re: Reporting pirates on eBay
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2005, 01:36:59 PM »
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i found every week 1-2 shops where the user can buy DVDs with many pirate copies. for a big money. this shops make money with the work from the developers :((



That is my point. I'm not saying that we should get armed officers swooping down on someone because they gave a copy of Defender of the Crown to their nextdoor neighbour, but I think it is morally objectionable that people should make a living out of someone else's hard work *




* Damn, that's what people have been doing for hundreds of years, its called 'Capitalism' :lol:
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Re: Reporting pirates on eBay
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2005, 03:43:42 PM »
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Oh. My. Dog.  You must be kidding.

Here we see another over-reaction from a person who really believes the lie that "piracy killed the Amiga".  It was malfeasance and stupid managers who killed the company.  Piracy probably helped as much as hurt.  A lot of people got Amigas based upon some nifty programs they could get copies of.

Anyway, why would anybody care about this?  Is the software on ebay still being developed?  No.  Still being supported?  Still being produced?  If it was new software, I could see the concern.  But it's not.



Well - it seems that you were wrong on most of these premises, as Andreas has testified...
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Re: Reporting pirates on eBay
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2005, 04:09:10 PM »
I still think, that if I had spent days or months of my time working on something, staying up late, not going out and socialising, basically pouring my blood, sweat and tears into it, I would be mightily peeved if I saw someone else with a DVD burner making the money out of it.

Back in the day, we would call these people 'lamers'


I'm not saying that we should find every pirate and burn them at the stake, or that we should get up tight about a copy of Lemmings being bundled with an Amiga sold on eBaY, but making a reasonable amount of cash out of someone else's work, when they are not is just WRONG. I know everyone has different ethics, but I am very firm on this.
I'm not going to get into a deep conversation about whether piracy killed the Amiga. But I do know one thing, which I think is a great analogy....

After the revolution in Russia, the Bolsheviks requisitioned grain from the kulaks to feed the workers in the cities. So the kulaks, near destitute themselves, tending their fields got no money for their year's work.
The Bolsheviks went back the following year to requisition more grain for the workers in the cities. And guess what? The farmers hadn't bothered growing any. Why blame them, no idiot is going to work for a year so some city-dweller can come along and forcibly take the fruits of their labours from them....
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Re: Reporting pirates on eBay
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2005, 02:08:37 AM »
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"...What can you get off e-bay that you can't get through e-mule, Warez or Back to the Roots..."
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Money, my friend. That is the crux of the matter. An individual is seeking to profit from the work of another. That is what leaves the bitter taste in the mouth, not any attempt to attach value to obsolete software. To this end, I regard an Ebay sale of copied software with significant disgust, whereas people who copy obsolete software for no financial gain have not received money that should otherwise have gone to the author.


You've hit the nail on the head, I've been trying to say exactly the same thing!!!

I really couldn't give a {bleep} about someone copying old software, and may I say it, ashamed though I am, I don't really care about people ripping off commercial software too much either e.g. Windows (unless they are really damaging some small production, as the German guy who posted on this thread suggests). Its just that if anyone should make MONEY from it, it should be the people who produced it. Call me a bleeding heart liberal, a commie or whatever, but its the same principle with coffee or whatever, sold at huge markups in the developed world, the people who did the work should be seeing the economic benefits, not some lamer who sits on his arse....
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