YAM Licence

[cgutjahr]

Then you will have nothing against that someone else do the work for you, buys an A600GS and thereby gets access to Yam 2.10

Just so we're clear: nobody has to buy anything. YAM is and will forever be freely distributable. Amigakit is free to limit access to their branch to only the A600GS customers, but all of these customers can distribute it any way they see fit.

In fact, I'm hereby asking if anybody who has access to it would send me a copy, so I can request the source code from Amigakit and add it to Aminet and/or Github. You can contact me via aminet@aminet.net, team@amiga-news.de or - if you prefer to stay anonymous - simply upload it somewhere and use our news submission form

[cgutjahr]

These code changes will be fed back to the YAM repo after the weekend when we are back in office.   Going forward, we will always feed back bugs and improvements to the main repo for the benefit of the main YAM sources.

Thank you.

That only leaves the naming issue: Official YAM versions are released from the official Github repository, which is currently maintained by Oliver/futaura. Third parties should not release "YAM 2.11" or any other releases labeled just "YAM" - it's confusing and doesn't show much respect for the people who actually made this. Simply calling it "YAM-GS" or something like that would solve this problem.

[cgutjahr]

@amigakit:

If you look at the screenshots, you will see that this project is already named as "YAM 2.10 [A600GS/m68k]"

No it's not. Your own release notes call it "YAM", the program icon is called "YAM", the splash screen says "YAM" and the page in your wiki exclusively talks about "YAM". You did add "[A600GS/m68k]" to the version number, but that's not the same as renaming the application - and you know that.

Could you just simply confirm that the name "YAM" is not yours to use? That would be a good start, because currently it sounds a lot like you just want this discussion to go away so you can continue to do what you're doing.

Btw., when looking at your wiki page about "YAM", I found this gem:

AmigaKit Ltd adopted development of YAM for it's computer platforms after the YAM Development Team announced in April 2022 that they had discontinued development.

You just claimed in this very thread, that your version is a fork and that it is not called YAM, while your wiki claims you "adopted development of YAM". Maybe you should make up your mind?

Not to mention that this paragraph is factually incorrect, of course. Futaura - the guy who "helped you" to add AmiSSL5 support to YAM, remember? - "adopted development" of YAM. He's got access to to official repository, so he's the guy one (i.e. you) talks to re naming issues.

[cgutjahr]

There are no restrictions in the licence preventing us to use the YAM name and no trademark notices.

Please stop playing games - the GPL obviously doesn't cover naming rights, but copyright for code.

The name YAM belongs to the people who have been maintaining YAM. People can fork open source projects all they want, that's the whole idea of free software. But they leave the name alone - unless the last maintainer donates it to them.

Our users expect it to be called YAM.

So you didn't rename it.

YAM Development has been discontinued and it has been some years since it has been updated in beta/nightly build.

This is Nonsense. Why would you and your "team" (hi Andy!) make bugreports in the official YAM bug tracker if "Development has been discontinued"? Why would you "feed code changes back to the YAM repo after the weekend"?

And, again: Futaura - the guy you thanked for "helping" you to add AmiSSL 5 support to YAM in this very thread - is making new releases.

Realistically who else is going to develop YAM for our platforms?

You can port existing YAM releases to your platforms. If you want to make new releases, call it SystemV54Mail or some other catchy name.

You're the guy who sent a C&D to Amiga Addict magazine and who put his own (C) stickers on other people's A1200 cases. You do not get the benefit of the doubt. Ever.

[Edit: it's "Amiga Addict", not "Amiga Passion"]

[cgutjahr]

Does filing bug reports and source code fixes count as maintenance?

More word games. You're not one the maintainers, end of story.

Futaura made a nightly/beta build in 2022

He made several, the last one - which I just linked to - is less than year old.

Thanks for the marketing suggestion, I think YAM sounds better.

Okay, so what you actually meant when you said "we renamed our version" is "YAM is mine now"?