Workbench Disk Sets... What Would Be The Best Way To Obtain Them...

[cgutjahr]

And it is still equally illegal!!!

Your argument doesn't get any more valid by adding more exclamation marks, you know.

Especially if it's bullshit - not doing what a software license wants you to do might be a lot of things, but it would certainly not be "illegal" in this particular case.

[cgutjahr]

therefore it appears to be illegal...

I know "illegal" sounds very cool and dramatic, but it's simply not the proper term. But why care about facts or reality if all that seems to matter is generating attention by spamming this board with useless drivel?

[cgutjahr]

I think you may be getting somewhere in unravelling things.

Just to get this straight: forcing Cloanto - which is the private Amiga hobby of two long term Amiga supporters who released their major commercial application (PPaint) for free on Aminet before Franko could even walk - into a legal battle just because they happen to disagree with his bullshit is a good thing now?

Way to go.

I'll go and sue amiga.org now, because I dislike Franko. Give me a minute, I'll open a thread where my supporters can post how much they adore me.

[cgutjahr]

To me, it's "Franko's idea about Workbench disk images for real Amigas" vs "Cloanto's idea about his distribution of said images."

There are two possible outcomes for this whole bullshit:

1. Cloanto can convince Franko's hoster to take down the ROMs and cut off his balls. They will have wasted their own time and ressources to deal with him, I doubt Franko's going to pay their expenses. Is there anything positive about this particular outcome?

or

2. Cloanto can not convince Franko's hoster. We will still not know who really owns the copyright (we already know Cloanto doesn't), Workbench disk images will still not be Public Domain and you'll still not be allowed to post links to them on amiga.org. You will still be able to ask Google and download them anyway. Perhaps I'm missing something, but where's the big achievement here?

Perhaps somebody can try to explain this to me, because I don't get it. Not to mention the fact that the consensus here seems to be: "Research sucks, let's behave like twelve years olds".

[cgutjahr]

I feel bad for Cloanto that they probably got tricked by AI (like so many others) into thinking they "bought" a legit license or something

This is part of the problem: You (as in: most of the Robin Hood types in this thread) don't have a clue what you're talking about.

Cloanto is distributing these files commercially since 1997. That's three years before McEwen-AmigaInc even existed. AFAIK, the only time they tried to get a license from AmigaInc was when they wanted to include OS 3.9 with Amiga Forever. That failed, so they licensed individual components from their respective authors and called the result "OS 3.X".

There's no evidence that they licensed anything from AmigaInc.

I REMIND PEOPLE again.  CLOANTO even if it is VALID, Cloanto's license is for EMULATION ONLY.  Cloanto on their website states it is ILLEGAL to use those images on REAL HARDWARE.

Don't use the term "illegal" in this context. It's bogus.

Who the FRACK reall cares for F sake?

Nobody cares, which is why the stuff is easily available for anybody who heard of this brand new search engine called Google.

The difference in this particular case is that it is Franko's stated goal to prove that the Workbench disks are PD. Cloanto simply have to react to this. Or as Piru put it: They're a sensible business, so they have to protect their investment.

[cgutjahr]

Cloanto Register the Trademark Workbench on 19th April 2011...

1. That's not news for those of us who use our brains occasionally.
2. It's a trademark, while you were ranting about copyright until now
3. Cloanto never claimed to "own" anything.
4. Cloanto actually registered "Workbench" in 2006, it's just the ongoing trademark dispute with AInc that was settled now

[cgutjahr]

Does this also mean that you will be leaving this site? I can't claim I'd miss you if you did.

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