Bill McEwen not appearing at AMIwest

[cgutjahr]

@redrumloa:

So you want to shoot the messanger because you don't like the message?

Oh, he's obviously just a blind zealot who likes to be lied to and therefore decided to head for AmigaINCworld.net - right?

I wonder what has to happen until the aorg team realizes that something is wrong here (I'm not just talking about this particular thread).

Amiga Inc. suck. But most of us don't visit websites to watch brainless trolls, MorphOS developers (Neko) or Genesi employees (downix) stating the obvious over and over again.

I think Mike Bouma is the most annoying propagandist left in this scene and I don't trust him that -><- much when it comes to moderating other people's postings. Yet the only thing that still makes me prefer amiga.org over amigaworld.net is the bigger amount of visitors.

But what the heck - I guess I'm just an Amiga Inc. fanboy, right?

[cgutjahr]

@KennyR:

One gets called a brainless troll if one criticises a company that has done everything to deserve such criticism.

I wonder what describing people as "Name followers" or "foaming-mouthed apologists" has to do with critisizing a company?

but the foaming-mouthed apologists that queue up to defend AInc when as every lie, sham and revelation of its incompetence is open for everyone to see.

Which part of "Amiga Inc suck" didn't you understand?

@redrumloa:

It was not my intention to put words in your mouth. I was just exaggerating to achieve a dramatic effect.

However, each time somebody declares to leave Amiga.org, the moderators regret that "he has fallen for MikeB's propaganda", "it's sad to see him head for Amigaworld.net - given the agenda at play there" or "he shouldn't shoot the messenger, if he doesn't like the message".

Whatever way you word it, it always implies that the guy leaving is at fault, because he has been fooled into something.

[cgutjahr]

@KennyR:

The connection is simple. Go to Amigaworld.net and start an account. Start a new thread with the title "Why you should think twice about Amiga Inc." with some very mild accusations. Then sit back and watch the foam fly.

And what his this got to do with this thread? The topic is "Bill McEwen will not attend AmiWest". Way before the first "fanboy" has contributed to this discussion, you feelt the need to insult a whole group of people in advance. That's just annoying.

And note that I did not defend Amigaworld.net (in fact, I attacked Mike Bouma personally), I just stated that I tend to find its "extremely harmless" nature to be less annoying than some of things happening here recently.

I don't understand your point. You say they suck, then say you'd rather not hear them criticised,

I did not say that I don't want to hear them criticised. I'd love to have a sensible discussion about the matter, but certainly not with a Genesi employee that feels the need to accuse a french Amiga user of software piracy (just because he released the OS4 presentation on the web), certainly not with individuals that start the discussion by insulting a large portion of the readers in advance, and certainly not with a MorphOS developer who gets kicked from #morphos because of lack of good manners.

Besides, I was not talking about just this thread, but Amiga.org as a whole.

although you have the ability to stay out of these kind of boring troll threads if you choose to exercise it.

And that's my whole point: People (e.g. Herewegoagain) choose to stay out of all this - and the response is "don't shoot the messenger, if you don't like the message" or "he now belongs to the foaming-mouthed apologists".

I was just trying to point out that people may have valid reasons to abandon Amiga.org. Not every amigaworld.net reader belongs to the MikeB cult.