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Re: A4K has ARRIVED!! But, oh! The BATTERY!
« on: September 15, 2003, 12:01:32 PM »
Probably a good idea to NOT RUN THE MACHINE UNTIL THE FUZZ IS TAKEN CARE OF.  Voltage has this way of accellerating electrochemistry.

On the 2000, you can get in there carefully if you have a good pair of wire snips (the pointy, shortnosed ones that are dished a bit for close cutting.. Just saw them at the local Dollar Tree, if that's any help) ... The 4000 looks like  the same thing; you'll probably have to cut the single lead on one side, and bend it up a little to get to the joins on the other side.

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Drop the NiCd off at the local recycling center if you can, or plastic-bag it for household hazardous day; they're a bit toxic to chunk in landfill.  (Or at least, do us a favor and wrap it in a few layers of Saran and a ZipLoc if you can't be stuffed the trouble; I don't mind cadmium in the ground as long as it's not leaching in my groundwater!)

Now as to the fuzz... I can never remember if ammonia (basic) or mild acid (vinegar) is supposed to be the right thing for this sort of corrosion.  Brush and vacuum what you can manually, first, and if you use either, I'd suggest rinsing it cautiously, *cautiously* with clean water after the fact, so you won't have to worry if you've guessed right. (Just that one edge of the board, use distilled if you're paranoid, try not to get any in that yellow trimmer thing if your board is laid out like that one)... That said, if you've got the board out of the case, I *would* just pour from the bottle of distilled water over the section you've ammonia/vinegarized.  Also be careful with your brushing and vacuuming - don't risk dislodging any of the surface mount components in the area.  Just try to get off what you can.

After all that, my 'trick' would be to saturate that area of the board in WD-40.  It's called "water displacer" for a reason; if you read the whole story behind the junk, it was initially developed to drive moisture out of connectors for the space program.  Assuming the board is out of the case, tilt it up, and just go hog-wild with the spray can, whether the board is still wet from your other ministrations or not.  Any water trapped under the chips, or for that matter, possibly any hydrous compounds formed by the corrosion, should be floated up and away.  If it *is* wet, I'd come back in a few hours and shoot on some more, maybe once more after a day when you think things have dried.

*Then,* after some of the water displacer has evaporated (the stuff is rather volatile, actually, which is why it doesn't last very long on squeaky hinges or case fans; it's not meant to be a persisting lubricant)... maybe 24 hours or so... you can try to carefully brush whatever connector was hit by the corrosion, using more WD-40 if necessary, or some contact cleaner (should be available from Radio Shack, the UK equivalent of Radio Shack, or your local TV repair guy if you can't find it anywhere else).

Your machine will smell like WD-40 when it's warm for a while, but a week of running usually clears that up.  Don't be too afraid if the exposed/corroded traces darken when you apply it; what happens is that the battery corrosion eats through the green/clearish mask they put on top of the PCB, creating porous spots - and attacking the traces - but if the machine still works, it works, and you can hope the penetration of the stuff will float up any remaining corrosives out of the metal.  Again on the volatility front, don't be worried about permanently insulating any connectors with it, since it was designed for the task, and *will* evaporate eventually (if you can't get something to make good contact immediately after it's been cleaned)... I'd be leery of shooting too much directly into that trimmer, though.  (Put a patch of tape over it, if you're worried about your aim.  But I'm talking 'putting the little red stem on the can and blasting it right into the component might not be good.')

Do tell us which connector that was, though; it'll help us offer advice.
 

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Re: A4K has ARRIVED!! But, oh! The BATTERY!
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Re: A4K has ARRIVED!! But, oh! The BATTERY!
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2003, 08:24:21 PM »
Someone fill me in on the WD-40 hate.  A board is fiberglass, epoxy, and copper... and WD-40 was specifically designed for this task.  Where does anyone else see a problem?

The worst I can see is that it might be implicated in lifting traces, but 1. it's volatile, so less of a worry than CRC or something, and 2. a board with corrosion lurking within won't be much fun either.

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Ok...i've decided against the hacksaw option and have been able to get a soldering iron. As well as this i've also got a solder sucker thing which should be useful for pulling away the molten stuff.

However, i've never really done this before...any soldering tips for a novice?
Tin the iron before use - this involves letting it heat up, and sticking a little solder on it until the tip looks shiny.  Use 'rosin core' solder, or lead-free electronics solder if you must.  What wattage is the iron? (40W will make fast work of the battery connections, but you'll have to try to move quick to avoid burning anything else.)

Once the tip is shiny, carefully hold it to the less-blobby side of the pin, if there is one.  Get that desoldering bulb (or piston-device, or whatever it is... arm it first if it's the piston style) in, and suck the stuff up or hit the trigger.  Actually putting a component *in* is a little trickier.

If the iron isn't pre-'tinned,' it might take a little longer for it to heat up the solder, which hopefully won't be a problem here, but you wanted the proper technique.  Between sucks, you want to take the iron away, and if you're really paranoid, count to 20 or something before you move in again, to give time for things to cool off.  (Probably a good idea, because you don't want to further heat and vent the battery..)

Then, when you think you've got it loose, feel free to apply some heat as you try to peel it up; again, you want it directly on the pins.  And try not to burn your fingers, or flick it towards your face as the pin you're angling against comes free.

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Oh dear, and some conflict on the WD40 advice. If I don't scrub off the corrosion already on the board is it likely to continue to spread and cause more damage? Or is it the case that once the battery has gone that will be that?
Whatever that crud is, I'd assume it contains enough nasties to continue etching as regular humidity helps hydrate it.  (Though most of it is probably simple copper oxides, etched up by the chemicals that already reacted.)  Don't go nuts, but go lightly with a cheap plastic paintbrush (tapping the bristles against a nearby ground, like a plugged-in-the-wall computer case first - no need for static damage!) and physically remove what you think you can.  Then blast away as much else with canned air or something (being careful not to shoot it back *towards* other less-accessible spots on the board... again, I'd tip it on its edge and let gravity do most of the work), and see how awful the damage looks.

From there, you can decide whether to leave it alone or try all the more drastic techniques described.  If nothing else, the aforementioned "contact cleaner," "electronic components cleaner," or "TV Tuner Cleaner" available at your local electronics hut certainly can't hurt - though the last sort usually *does* contain a lubricant, if you want to be paranoid about that.  (Should be good on card sockets, dunno if it'd be much use on a board.)

Obviously, don't go applying a hot iron immediately *after* you've sprayed any oil-like substance; do the desoldering work first; having the battery out of the way will give you more room for cleanup.