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Offline Floid

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Re: Is there X86 and PPC on one mainboard
« on: August 19, 2003, 04:30:45 AM »
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Crumb wrote:
"Only Opteron has HT at the moment - but IBM have just joined the HT forum :-)"

oh, I thought that the 970 used Hypertransport... sorry
The G5 uses the proprietary ApplePI/Elastic Bus/whatever the heck it is between the CPU and the offboard memory/system controller.

The system controller (practically, the 'chipset') then hosts a HT link or few that allow the use of commodity PCI-X bridges and integrated-peripheral chips ("southbridges," though that term seems to be wearing thin).  I don't know if Apple is actually using commodity parts for these now, but this reserves them the option, and/or keeps any custom work they do in that domain 'standard' enough that it could be licensed for others' designs (or just coexist with later iterations of their product line - who knows what the useful life of the 970's bus will actually be, and/or if it'll get replaced by HT at some point?)...

So anyhow, the 970 itself doesn't use it, but the Macs do, and it's hard (not impossible, but hard- you'd have to cram all your PCI-X and whatnot the same chip, and hope you can find something better than the 686B to use for the onboard peripherals people expect) to imagine a system hub without it, for desktop purposes at least.  Maybe if those sorts of peripheral chips do show up, or someone licenses V-Link or something weird, instead...

http://www.apple.com/powermac/architecture.html
 

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Re: Is there X86 and PPC on one mainboard
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2003, 06:52:08 PM »
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asian1 wrote:
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There are several Multi CPU machine:
1. PC motherboards with i860 RISC co-processor
for SCSI or Network.
If we're counting these, we may as well count everything with a GPU or embedded controller.  The I2O initiative made sense from a technical standpoint, but apparently got mired in bureaucracy, and became a dumping ground for the i860 chips when Intel failed to get them into the workstation market.  (Something about focusing the initial compiler efforts on ADA!?)

http://wombat.doc.ic.ac.uk/foldoc/foldoc.cgi?i860
Not a bad little chip, for 1989.

Edit: Okay, I might be more than a little off here... http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_i860 -- i860 and i960 aren't really related; http://www.chipcenter.com/eexpert/dgilbert/dgilbert027.html -- the i960 is the one more associated with I2O?  ...Or did both end up dumped at that market, anyway?  Here's a recentish Intel card on eBay using the i960, can't remember enough part numbers to find more 'vintage' boards.