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Re: AmigaONE X1000 Free Shipping Offer
« on: March 30, 2014, 06:35:30 PM »
Quote from: Vlabguy1;761548
It has been a while since I stopped in at AmigaKit(sorry).. $3,000..wow.  Just curious have you sold "a lot" of these??

Rich


You are mistaking...it is not 3k. It is 3,300 get your price facts right lol
 

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Re: AmigaONE X1000 Free Shipping Offer
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2014, 02:04:51 AM »
I was calculating how many A4000D I need to sell in order to get an X1000 I calculated that I need to sell 3 Amiga 4000D each going for 900 bucks...then an over buffed Amiga 1200 to obtain an X1000.

Now I do have an A4000D so even if I did manage to sell it and somehow did manage to get 900 buck...that by itself insufficient amount of cash to buy an x1000.

Now i make per month say anywhere between 400 to 600.  So even if I did manage to make 600 a month non-stop plus selling the A4000D it would take me 4 month to make up the price of an X1000. Then add to shipping and handling because there is no way this offer is lasting 4 month.

Now that is assuming my A4000D did indeed go for 900 and I did indeed make 600 a month and I did indeed not spend a single dime on it....and I did indeed thing it is worth purchasing...and I did indeed did not go crying spending 3.3k as I saw in my account I have 3.3k and then click buy for X1000 for 3.3k then in my balance shows 0.....and I look in my bank and saw I spend 3.3k for a computer...and I did not call 911 for mental hospital for spending 3.3k on a computer...assuming all of those obstacles have passed me...then I can afford me an X1000 :)

Of course that is not going to happen...because A) I am not going to sell my A4000D as I use it to sleep in the night with it's sweet humming fans lol.

B) When I have 3.3k and since I am a console gamer..always have..always will be...I will have urge to spend games for my PS 4/PS 3...and will..other expenses..and I can never have this urge to have 3.3k and spend it all in one shot for a single PC when I have already a laptop x86, iBook G4 MorphOS and a huge strong x86 tower PC, plus my Amiga 4000D, Amiga 500, ipad and I have PS Vita, PS3, PS 4 and PS 2 I do not think I am crazy for OS 4.1.
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Re: AmigaONE X1000 Free Shipping Offer
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2014, 07:09:05 PM »
Quote from: kickstart;761667
The x1000 is the best "amiga" for you? really? you never had a real amiga?... if the answer is yes, the amiga "community" is really dead.


Kickstart you make it sound like AOS4.1 is in the same league with AROS and MorphOS but in a very expensive hardware.
 

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Re: AmigaONE X1000 Free Shipping Offer
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2014, 10:12:19 PM »
@AmigaKit

Wait....are you saying you have larger customer sales because of this forum post?
 

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Re: AmigaONE X1000 Free Shipping Offer
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2014, 04:49:30 PM »
Quote from: klx300r;761809
no my A1000 is the best then my A1-X1000! so see how silly these discussion are ESPECIALLY in a thread not even remotely related to discussing which Amiga model one thinks is 'the best':whack:


Hey! That is silly discussing which model is better than the other on a thread that is not even remotely related to the discussion. Why did you do that?
 

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Re: AmigaONE X1000 Free Shipping Offer
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2014, 10:38:02 PM »
Quote from: klx300r;761828
yes my point exactly:roflmao:trying to make a point on this is like trying to herd cats :)

You had a point?
 

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Re: AmigaONE X1000 Free Shipping Offer
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2014, 11:24:11 PM »
Quote from: Thorham;761830
Simple, it's the machines made by Commodore and Escom. The ones that say 'Amiga' on them. They usually come with OCS, ECS or AGA and a CPU from the 68000 family.

Disclaimer: I have nothing against AOS4 machines.


No. You are wrong. You are mentioning or defining something based on an outdated hardware that had the company remained active and not bankrupt would be a complete different hardware and you would define it on that hardware.

Since Commodore is finished...Hyperion and Acube and other companies united to continue what Commodore would have continued anyways...migrate from 68k hardware base same hardware base used by Mac mind you...into PPC which again same hardware WAS used by Mac. Bare in mind, had Commodore remained active Amiga would still have died because Commodore was moving from Amiga to PC anyways....

....so it is better that Commodore did die at least AmigaOS remains active had it not died.

That is one to consider. What I would have preferred though that they did like the Mac and skipped PPC and go x86 as Mac have did and still made it a custom hardware that only run OS 4.1. Forget that I want to install OS OS 4.1 beside Windows arguement...my idea that had they skipped PPC and did a custom x86 that cost for manufacturing of expensive CPU which ranges anywhere from 600 to 1000 per CPU would drop the price of the computer from say 3300 to 2300. Bare in mind even modern consoles are going through this route for reason of cost efficiency and easy programming. A CPU IS A CPU....no matter what type of CPU you go...be it AMD, Intel, PPC, 68k, 6502, whatever it is...they all do one and same thing...calculation and execution...it is not like 68k sings a song and AMD dances and Intel feed you....they all do the same thing....calculate...math...etc.

I mean they can still make the motherboard so custom made that it only RUNS OS4.1 if they want to go this far, and they can even install into the motherboard a default kickstart if there are no HD you see the kickstart boot screen and you can run OS 4.1 directly and update kickstart on the HD...they can give you back that feeling you had with classical Amiga if they wanted too. I mean if they saved 1000 dollars on CPU cost by going x86...they would put 300 dollars on that and make the kickstart hardware based as will and installed into the motherboard and can be replaced by the HD kickstart version as patches. No problem.

Bare in mind a $2300 computer is still expensive but more affordable for me and not less painful than say $3300.  They could cut on certain hardware features that are not usable or needed to cut down prices even more and can drop it down to $1,500. Now if you tell me this X1000 is being modified to have x86 CPU which cut down price of CPU from 600 to 1000 and we save another 800 dollars on features of motherboards that are not used at all now...but still maintain expandability we have saved $1,800 and the Amiga NG motherboard is 100% customizable that it cannot run windows, DOS, etc even if the CPU is x86 and it is only designed to run OS4.1: $3300-$1800=$1,500 making the price of the machine affordable I can sell my Amiga 4000D in a heart beat for 900 thus the only difference left 600...if I squeezed my Amiga 500 for 100...for 500 bucks difference I can save up in a month and buy me an x1000 now.

Tell me I am dreaming....
 

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Re: AmigaONE X1000 Free Shipping Offer
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2014, 12:17:37 AM »
Quote from: Iggy;761832
No, you're having a nightmare.
An X86 machine that won't run any OS except AOS4?
That is just weird.

Why? PS4 have x86 and it only runs PS 4 OS.
 

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Re: AmigaONE X1000 Free Shipping Offer
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2014, 12:28:31 AM »
Quote from: Thorham;761833
Of course I am, because Amiga computers are outdated computers from the past.

But they did go bankrupt, hence the reason why no Amiga computers were produced after the AGA machines, except perhaps in name only (which doesn't count, of course).

Why this need to slap the Amiga name on EVERYTHING? What's wrong with calling a Sam a Sam? Or an X1000 an X1000? Or a Mac with Morph OS a Mac? What's next? A Peecee with Aros is an Amiga, too? Really, I don't get it.

Alright, then assume they did not go bankrupt and they did move away from AGA to PPC and it is now called Amiga X1000 instead of say A5000 or A6000, etc. What is wrong with that? Why are you so bent on enforcing your definition on us? Say we come here and say hey I think X1000 is a real Amiga...that is my opinion, that is my perspective, that makes me happy and in your opinion I am a moron...will here is what I have to say...keep your opinion to yourself...two thinks come in effect:

1) You will be less stressful to yourself, body and your heart and you will live a healthier life.

2) You would not be targeted under attack or hated by people or people find you annoying.

By the way...what is wrong calling AROS an Amiga again?
 

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Re: AmigaONE X1000 Free Shipping Offer
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2014, 01:45:32 AM »
Quote from: Thorham;761837
I won't, because it never happened, and because it never happened it's irrelevant.


I'm not. Someone asked a question, I answered.


Exactly. It's an opinion, and opinions aren't always facts.


Did I say that? No, I didn't, and I didn't imply it, either.


So, basically anyone is allowed to say whatever machine is an Amiga, but when you disagree with that, and want to say that only classics are Amigas you have to keep it to yourself? That's a bit odd, isn't it?


Not everyone has to like me ;)


Because it's software. Amigas are hardware. Furthermore, a peecee running Aros is a peecee. Hardware is what it is; it's not defined by what you run on it. Or does an Amiga become a Mac when you run Shapeshifter on it? Does an Amiga become a peecee when you run PCTask on it? Think about it.

Then why would you define Ubuntu as Ubuntu regardless of the hardware it is in...but when you define an Amiga you don't define it as a software you define it as a hardware and the hardware it uses is identical to the Mac? Why then can't you define Amiga as Mac instead? After all it is a 68k like Mac and only have AmigaOS installed in it? Sure the hardware is customized it is designed to run just Amiga (chances are Linux too), but it does not change the fact that what they did is the same as MorphOS does with it's hardware. They married the software with the hardware, even though it is a 68k.

If there is any consolidation...mom, my brother and couple of women and men are doing voluntary teaching kids in our country. They are going to take the A500 and use it as an entertainment system for the kids to play with during their lunch break and my A4000D stays with me ;D. I will upload as much as games as possible to the A500 in disk where they can have fun with it.
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Re: AmigaONE X1000 Free Shipping Offer
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2014, 01:51:00 AM »
Quote from: ElPolloDiabl;761836
Amiga OS today would be more like MS Windows. Under a big company at least. It might have ended up on x86 (x64) as well.

You have very very small companies pushing it along as Amiga... Two programmers for the OS???! lol

p.s. It's good enough for me though.


Wait...is it true? There are only two programmers developing for AmigaOS 4.1? Do they have job position for hire?
 

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Re: AmigaONE X1000 Free Shipping Offer
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2014, 02:44:08 AM »
Where can I send my resume to apply as a programmer?
 

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Re: AmigaONE X1000 Free Shipping Offer
« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2014, 08:00:30 AM »
Quote from: Lurch;761856
The X1000 to me is a step in the right direction. It was marred a little on release with missing drivers etc but to me it was a great achievement.

Is it an Amiga, yes I'd like to say it is. AmigaOS 4.1 looks great. Would I buy one, would like to say yes but it's out of my price bracket.

Would be tempted in selling my two classic Amiga's if it meant being able to purchase one, but even then I'd fall short.

But it would be an option I'd look at.

That is the problem I am getting at...we will always fall short to getting the X1000 due to it's price. So who would own it? The more financially set people...so this machine remains as an exotic. But it get worse....to me even if somehow after long struggle I managed to scrab the amount needed and sacrifice soo much classic Amiga to get it...when I have 3.3k it becomes SOOOOOOO painful and very hard to justify spending 3.3k to get it.

That is the problem. BUT IT IS SO HARD even if I am rich or make 100k year...still the very idea to spending 3.3k on a computer is PAINFULLY hard to justify purchase...let alone a computer with an OS4.1 that do not have the larger software library and up to date powerful emulators that Windows bring.

It is hard...hard....hard.....hard. Yet I painfully desire to try the OS4.1 for ones...just to feel it...but I can't. You see the problem?

Is it only X1000 that I find hard spending 3.3k? No. I find spending 3.3k on any computer too much to bare...even if it is a super computer x86...spending 3.3k is hard. Even if it is the best Mac computer out in the world with video card that can't be beat with 60 GB of RAM and 20 TB HD and 40 Ghz 30 core CPU....the idea of spending 3.3k on a computer is....not feasible with me.

Can I spend 80 bucks on a used laptop like ibook g4? Sure. Can I spend 220 dollars on a motherboard with CPU in it, built in video, sound, wifi, etc? Sure.

Can I spend 700 dollars on a full set modern up to date computer? Yes.

But spending 3.3k on a computer? No.
 

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Re: AmigaONE X1000 Free Shipping Offer
« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2014, 01:36:13 PM »
Quote from: amigakit;761864
Just one small point: as stated before in this thread price is not $3.3k, customers outside EU do not pay 20% VAT.

Product Link US:

http://www.amigakit.us/product_info.php?products_id=1071


Canadian it is 3.3k :)
 

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Re: AmigaONE X1000 Free Shipping Offer
« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2014, 01:40:33 PM »
Quote from: persia;761872
Doesn't 4.x use a UAE implementation to run classic apps just like AROS?  Endianess has nothing to do with an operating system.  

Power architecture was losing the race a more than a decade and a half ago, it was only a matter of time before the game consoles abandoned it as well.  Apple planned ahead, endianess was built on a few core routines and the rest of OS X was blind to it.  Endianess is a tempest in a teacup.


I agree with you persia...I thought 4.x is not backward compatible at all and that it relies on UAE just AROS does. Am I confused?