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Offline AmigaClassicRule

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Re: We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!
« on: January 28, 2013, 12:38:04 AM »
What was in the original post a great idea and such dream of mine to have a modern browser on an a classic Amiga, enough so to be able to have the browser smart enough to convert youtube videos into a format that can run in a classic Amiga with CPU 030 such as HV format but live stream so you do not wait days and HD space consumption doing it for each video you watch in youtube..and other cool features such as up to date HTML 5 support, css, javascript, php, etc....to a childish Pickering. Where are the adults I wonder?
 

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Re: We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2013, 03:45:32 PM »
Quote from: bbond007;724430
Even if you get some sort of browser(for the classic amiga) that supports the latest CSS and whatnot, its still going to be kind of discouraging to watch it lock-up the machine for minutes on end while it does some inefficient javascript routine. This is the situation on the Raspberry Pi which I'm sure is faster than an 060.

HTML started as a good idea, but it evolved into this mess that only somewhat runs correctly on high-end x86 hardware.

The best browser on amiga is rdesktop :)

What if Amiga classic systems say have the latest custom chipset (instead of AGA) with 512 Mb of CHIP RAM and say running at a good high end speed, made by Commodore itself, a real Commodore Amiga in every since of way with a sexy famous Commodore Amiga keyboard case and even have RF, Composite, etc...and it can handle the latest browsers with all their "bloating" just fine....beyond find. Would you still believe in your sentence above? Would you still hate flash, javascript, asp.net, etc?
 

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Re: We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2013, 07:51:17 PM »
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Considering that I keep them turned off even on a Core 2 Duo system running at 1.66GHz wit 2GB of RAM, yes, yes I would still hate them. Flash and Javascript have their uses, but the abuse of them is so utterly rampant that it's really easier to do without unless a site specifically requires them to function at all (and in that case, it's usually easier to just avoid the site if possible.)

I am not going into the "what if game" because that is childish and silly. However, with full honesty, even if we have a sophisticated and well optimized developers who develop the newest features for website it will eventually  require a more powerful system to run them (even if you code it in 100% assembly). People need new technology and features in their website, business demand them to make things look professional and easier to develop. In the end, upgrading hardware is much easier than being stagnated in our software features just because we find that it takes too much from the hardware.

Amiga would have not have had all these problems had the company did not go under and had they always upgraded their hardware, always updated their software, improved in their security level and memory managed, worked in selling their computer as a good business machine and not just as a toy, and not have bickering, backstabbing, fighting, not fulfilling their promises and have history of developing bad Amiga models like A600 for example when A1200 was out, and if they have not made their A1200 so weak as will as their A4000 with it's limited chip RAM of 2 MB and still stuck in AGA...if they have not done all that...then perhaps the issue of a browser being too strong to run in an Amiga classic hardware would not have being a real issue.

Then people who like bloated and fat features of a browser such as java and so forth would not be complaining that their hardware is not up to the bar. And people who hate fat and bloated java and HTML would disable it if they want...at LEAST we have a choice. At least it works...at least it runs..and maybe Amiga would have lived as a niche market of 1% and survived like Mac survived in a competition against Windows.
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Re: We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2013, 06:34:31 PM »
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You should have got a link that you must click otherwise you are not registered

NovaCoder manages to convert complex games and programs that was not intended to run on AGA into AGA. Perhaps his biggest feat of a project, converting a browser to run on AGA? Perhaps FireFox or Chrome or something like that, that allows the browser to run on AGA Amiga and even allow you to use flash on AGA Amiga, allow you to watch youtube in the browser itself on AGA Amiga on decent and enjoyable speed.

NOW IF SUCH feat was feasible and
successful............................................................................................................
fishy_fiz, help me here.
 

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Re: We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2013, 07:30:53 PM »
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Yes, but it's buggy, you can't resize the window.

No you cannot..but then again in an AGA resolution and output you do not want to resize window you want it to be maximized as much as possible. In fact...this treats the Amiga computer as a console...pretty much any browser in modern consoles like Playstation or xBox 360 or even xBox One and Playstation 4 treat browsers the same way the Amiga classic in AGA chipset does. It opens it in full screen..filling the entire screen with the website and then when you move the cursor with your controller all the way up...the address bar and toolbar drops down. It is not multitasking with the console and if you want to do other things than browsing you need to close the browser down and return back to the Home page of your console.

Amiga classic is doing the same thing pretty much...that I love...I enjoy the sexy interface and the wait hourglass I have no objection at all with the interface and the way it is now. However, the big issue I have is that it is super buggy...it crashes a lot and it does not display the page color correctly...but also the fact it is running on a 2 MB chip RAM may cause this good browser to be VERY unstable...very...very unstable and limit the amount of pages you can view with 2 MB of CHIP RAM depending on the intensity of the pictures, flash, colors that page have. Also this browser have the javascript disabled...which means due to again the limitation of the CHIP RAM we will not be able to run javascript app at all..and this heavily limits browsing experience.

I think if NovaCoder makes two version of this...one version have the javascript disabled etc just for the limitation of the Amiga classic hardware running in AGA and have a version for FPGA Replay where Javascript is enabled and even possibly flash (if it can be done) and HTML 5 enabled. The question why? Simply put that FPGA Replay have AGA+ as a custom chipset..meaning the CHIP RAM can hold 128 MB of RAM that is more than enough to do ALL your browsing need without trouble, have higher resolution, have higher bandwidth capacity in speed for the graphics chip RAM and have integrated RTG...which in this case now that I think about...the NetSurf RTG version right now in aminet is more than enough to run it comfortably with FPGA Replay...as long as the Javascript there is not disabled or anything.