Most powerful PPC that can be put in an A1200?

[AmigaClassicRule]

rip the guts out, install a Keyrah and and Mac Mini PPC logic board. Install MOS.

I hate you -________________-

[AmigaClassicRule]

RTG was absolutely the biggest and the most significant upgrade to classic Amiga's usability when you're using it as main computer or mostly for the apps instead of games. I went the CV64/3D route with my A1200 (and later Mediator) and it was definitely bigger improvement than any CPU expansion etc (I went up to 060, not that it wouldn't been a big leap, but still nothing to compare what RTG gave).

But nowadays my RTG usage has moved to next generation Amigas, which are way faster than any expanded classic Amiga.. so.. today I think 060 is more important for classics than RTG

I disagree with everyone about dishing rtg for Amiga classic. It is lack of software developers who take full advantage of it to develop modern games, mmorpg games, applications, heck even full blown 3D games and apps for classic Amiga. It is not the concept of having rtg is bad, the lack of developers to exploit it is.

[AmigaClassicRule]

I'd humbly agree.
 
There really is no way of shortselling the benefit of having a discrete GPU.
However, I'm pretty sure 3D (or 3D MMORPG games even) would not run well on a classic Amiga with RTG only. It would definitely need an accompanying PPC, since the 68k CPUs are too much of a bottleneck for full 3D. Heck, even a PPC G3/G4 is still a tremendous bottleneck for any 3DFX Voodoo 3/4/5.

But then the true question to ask.....is it worth it? I mean even the current PPC for classic Amiga are weak: 233 Mhz or even 260 Mhz would do nothing. Requesting to manufacture new PPC card for classic Amiga with 700 Mhz comes to other complications:

• Is it feasible?
• Can the motherboard of classic Amiga handle such speed boost and would it run at such close speed with RTG?
• Manufacturing cost?
• Benefit of financial return from developing such product?
• Cost of selling it and the amount of people willing to buy it?
• Amount of software available to take advantage of it and compatibility issue?
• It comes to the final question: Is it worth it?
  

So we end up again back to the same bottleneck of No, No, NO! But then you look at the casing of Amiga 4000D and Amiga 4000T and you use the classic Amiga and you start wishing: Oh I wish I can watch blue ray movies or HD movies on it. Oh I wish there was LOTS OF cool MMORPG games on it. Oh I WISH THERE ARE LOTS OF COOL new App and games on it...oooh I wish...and it is a NEVER ending cycle.
 
I am surprised you guys don't drink too much!

[AmigaClassicRule]

No need to. Once one has realized that good games don't need high-end 3D graphics, the world looks brighter once again
 
BTW: I'm pretty positive that render adventures are quite feasible on a classic 68k Amiga with RTG.

But I really want a single MMORPG game for classic Amiga...just one!

[AmigaClassicRule]

Not too sound overly pessimistic, but an MMORPG (as in Massively Multiplayer Online Roleplaying Game) would be an utter joke on any non-mainstream platform. In the case of an Amiga MMO, it would probably be less than a hundred people playing at the same time.
 
Perhaps something like The Realm running on some sort of old and outdated low-end server would be feasible, but that's that.

Will, the MMORPG I am thinking of and I may be dreaming here but it is used in mainstream platform such as Windows, Mac and heck even Linux but also for OS 4 and OS 3.x with RTG card. It does not need TO BE HEAVY 3D rendering MMORPG, in fact a good looking 2D MMORPG would suffice. Perhaps if it WAS feasible and people can see MMORPG is possible on an classic RTG Amiga (giving RTG Amiga another new life into it) then perhaps more MMORPG would come up. Hence, JUST FOR THAT ALONE perhaps, getting an A4000 to upgrade it to RTG would make RTG at least worth that, than to say it is not worth it.

[AmigaClassicRule]

Quick question:
Is there any benefit to an Apollo over a Blizzard?
 
I've been offered an Apollo 1240 with one SIMM slot. Would it be hard to upgrade it to a 060 CPU and a second RAM slot?
 
How much do Blizzard 1260s usually go for these days?
 
I'd very much like to upgrade my Amiga 1200 to an 80 MHz 68060 (AFAIK, something that works with both brands, Apollo and Blizzard) but am a bit concerned that an Apollo might not be as good as a Blizzard due to having much less RAM.

64 MB of RAM is EVERYTHING you ever need for all your Amiga classic usage. UNless you want 128 MB specific use.

[AmigaClassicRule]

Apollo's are cheaper which is the main benefit....you can also clock them higher (usually, not always true). This appears to be because an Apollo only accesses it's FASTRAM at 50% of the CPU speed whereas a Blizzard does it 1:1. That means an Apollo can (sometimes) be clocked right up to 100Mhz with a decent CPU and RAM (depends on the MACH chips) whereas a Blizzard can normally only go to about 80Mhz (even with fast memory). This means that a Blizzard should produce more MIPS at the same clock speed as an Apollo (in theory).
 
Another thing to consider is that (I believe) Blizzards are 'buffered' across the Zorro bus when (in theory) means that they do not access CHIPRAM as fast as Apollo cards. This may have been changed/improved with the latest official 060 libraries but I'm not sure.
 
The main downside with the Apollos is the lack of memory, only 32mb can be used if you still want to use your desktop case. While 32mb is fine for most things, things like web browsing are obviously going to need more.
 
Some people say Apollos are less reliable or less compatible than Blizzards but so far I've been 100% happy with my overclocked Apollo (which has it's MACH chip soldered on to improve stability).
 
Apollo @ 80Mhz

BBBEEEAUTIFULL!! Makes me want to get Apollo big time hehe!!!
 
By the way I have seeing your ScummVM AGA v1.4.1 - The Curse of Monkey Island on youtube and you showed a climpse of your A1200D HD LED flashing as it is reading...that was beautiful * sigh * Made my eyes tears :biglaugh:... Isn't A1200D just SEXY OR WHAT? :biglaugh::biglaugh:
 
That is why I want to work SO HARD into squeezing as MUCH AS juice from it as possible to make it the most entertaining media centre. NovaCoder, even if you couldn't manage to get DOSBoxAGA a reality I want to thank YOU SO MUCH for trying and working hard on attempting it. Also I want to thank you for ScummVMAga!!
 
By any chance in the future are you considering C64AGA?

[AmigaClassicRule]

What would be the point of an C64AGA? C64 games (C64DTV and Super CPU exclusive stuff excluded) offer less colours than were possible on even a plain Amiga 1000.
 
BTW: I just found about another 060 board. A so called Falcon.
Specs seem pretty much on par with the Blizzard, except for the SCSI.

There is no point, but since we already emulated MSX and it is worse specs than C64, and we emulated lots of consoles, including NES, and we are trying to bring x86 into the Amiga through software and we have ScummVM why not have a real working C64AGA that works on AGA and not RTG and use real 1541 disk drive to load/save stuff?
 
IT WOULD BE SUPER COOL.