[UserReview] Vampire V2-128 received and it's just pure p0rn.

[gregthecanuck]

Wow quite the discussion thread! Nice to see the Vampire stirring up some lively discussion.

Here is my take on the situation...

It appears to me that the OS4/PPC vs OS3/68K situation resembles Microsoft's old stance on their software. Windows/PCs only. Only software for Windows. Android and OSX/iOS can go suck rocks. However recently Microsoft has changed their ways realizing there is a bigger market out there than just Windows and PCs. Look at all the work they are now doing with software support for all platforms. It is quite a change to behold. Larger user base = more revenue going forward. Windows or not.

I suggest the PPC hardware may be the equivalent to the "Windows only" mentality.

The clincher here will be users. Hardware shipped. If a lot of Vampires (and MIST and whatever else comes along) get out into the world and a large enough user base is built it starts to become a more attractive platform to the OS3/OS4 owners. Possibly even MorphOS.

At what point does it become attractive? Who knows. But the key to anything really happening on the OS front is shipping hardware. Shipping hardware in volume. VOLUME. Get an installed base of at least a couple thousand users. That will start to show the possible market size.

Until we see volumes of hardware with a mature "gold" core all this thrashing on the operating system front is just that. I can understand Hyperion's resistance at the moment. So many projects go nowhere. This Apollo system has a chance to do well but installed hardware will do all the talking.

[gregthecanuck]

afair its mostly their projects that go nowhere. instead, community based projects tend to succeed. and im a bit confused about what could they offer us under these circumstances.

I should have said "Hardware projects". Why are you a bit confused?

[gregthecanuck]

i see a number of community based hardware projects actually fluorish. mist, fpgaarcade, vampire, a number of projects by strim like the sonnetppc for mediator or 030-decellerator just to name few. okay, there are few projects that were actually obvious to fail like ultimate ppc or tina. but what does any of that has to do with hyperions constant denial of amiga as 68k platform and their habit not to deliver even what they have promissed?

In Hyperion's case they may never decide to go with updated 68K development. And that's fine and their right. However in the long run I am trying to suggest that supporting a bigger ecosystem of 68K and PPC users is more beneficial to their company in the long run. This taking into consideration that PPC is running out of steam and the Apollo (and other 68k) cores are coming on strong. Maybe sub-licensing would work? Who knows.

But again, until any hardware is shipping in volume it isn't worth the hassle. A large user base opens up options for bounties and such.

Then again AROS may grow up enough to make any further debate pointless.

It will be interesting to watch how things play out this year.

Cheers!

[gregthecanuck]

This is a beta preview. A snapshot of a work-in-progress.

[gregthecanuck]

That is a very cool demo indeed. I thought it was very smooth except for the cache burps as noted. It really shows off the potential.

Looking forward to V4 with more memory and memory bandwidth. It only gets better from here.

[gregthecanuck]

@kolla

Sometimes your comments are worthwhile, and sometimes not. On this thread you are back in the latter category again.

Grond has very diplomatically explained to you the background on some of the developments. This has been explained to you in various forms in the past, but somehow you continue to "forget".

May I suggest taking up a new hobby that doesn't involve posting bullsh!t?