Elbox's Spider II and Amithlon - caveat

[tjaoz]

Your writing is nonsense.
Spider II is a USB 2.0 card which can work in Amiga with Mediator and in PC with Amithlon. Elbox delivers a card with USB 2.0 drivers to both systems. It is clear that Elbox does not include those programs, which are included in the Amithlon package or in Amithlon updates. SpiderCD does not include updates for Mediator System Files, either. These files are delivered with Mediator, and their updates are sent after registering Mediator.

Your accusations that a hardware manufacturer does not provide updates of software products from other manufacturers is simply absurd.

The Spider II requirements read clearly the required versions of other programs:
'Note: Spider.device ver.3.0 requires:
the Poseidon stack ver.1.31 or higher,
pci.library ver.5.9 or higher (Mediator users only),
powerpci.library ver.2.11 or higher (Amithlon users only).'

By the way, there is a more interesting sentence in this post in the Amithlon list:

'After installing this Lib the Spider2 and the Poseidon Stack working perfectly !'

I also have a Spider card and my experience is that it works perfect. The only thing causing my reservations is the way that guy from Poseidon treats his clients.

[tjaoz]

As regards Elbox I can only say that I have many products by Elbox. In my opinion they are the best and reliable business producing hardware for Amiga. They have superb products and excellent support for their clients.

My opinion of Hodges is different. I bought from him keys to Poseidon. After several months Hodges switched off my keys because in some discussion my opinion was different from his. He cannot be treated seriously with this behaviour, as if he were a child who seems to believe that he may not respect basic rights of his clients.

And you Kronos are a Mediator or Amithlon user? Or maybe you are user of some other hardware, which does not have the possibility of using USB 2.0 controllers? That could explain why you are so "worried" about Spider/Amithlon users...

[tjaoz]

@Kronos

While I have heard of several complaints about Elbox refusing
to give updates to "critical" costumers,

And I have heard that you Kronos are abusing young girls.

Stop kidding Kronos, you well know that your accusations against Elbox are far from truth. Elbox is a professional business company. They do not make their support for clients dependent on favouring him in public lists.

this is the 1st time
I heard it about Chris.

But this is real fact! Chris Hodges switch off my keys, for which I paid him.

Yes I also think that Elbox has some good HW, but their way
of doing buisness sucks.

Remeber the probs they had with CGX,P96 and W3D ?

I remember problem of Elbox with these teams/persons. Do you?

1. CGX
I remember that the CGX author had an agreement with Elbox on writing drivers for Mediator. He got from Elbox everything he had asked: hardware (computers, Mediators, PCI cards) and developer docs. When drivers were almost ready, DCE offered him a bribe to NOT support Elbox. And he accepted that bribe.

2. P96
Elbox never signed any agreements with P96, and drivers for graphic cards for Mediator were written by Elbox programmers.

3. W3D
Warp3D for Mediator is here. It was prepared by Hyperion. What is the problem then?
That Elbox were negotiating agreement with Hyperion for a long time while other HW-suppliers signed it within 5 minutes?
No serious company signs such agreements in 5 minutes.
AFAIK Elbox paid Hyperion for Warp3D support all the money declared in their agreement.
What about other HW-suppliers (Matay and DCE)? Did they pay the same as Elbox? I heard they did not.
Anyway, Matay or DCE do not support their products any more.

So no, I don't own a Mediator or Spider

Yes, I thought so.
This is very strange that those who do not have hardware from Elbox are so "worried" about users of this hardware.

Thank you Kronos for your worrying.
I have a lot of Elbox hardware and everything is perfect with it. I do not need your worrying, leave it for your own sleepless nights for yourself, please.

[tjaoz]

@Bill Hoggett

This your statement is nonsense: 'It would be nice if hardware manufacturers targetting a certain platform would make sure they supply all the software required to make their product work...'
Does anyone expect from a PC graphic card producer that he will receive 'all the software required to make their product work' apart from the card drivers? For example the complete Windows XP system with all the updates?

All the files, which are parts of the Amithlon package (including powerpci.library) should be delivered by the Amithlon supplier. Is it not obvious for you?

So you say he "switched off" your keys? How exactly did he do that?

Hodges has made the Poseidon update 2.0 (which mostly has bug fixes for previous versions) NOT work with my keys.
Hodges behaves like a 5 year old child. He does not understand his obligations as a seller towards his client.

(There are valid reasons for blocking keys - such as their supply with prated
versions of the software)

I am not using a pirated version, I bought my keys directly from Chris Hodges.

[tjaoz]

@kolla

Ofcourse, as the Spider is just a NEC card with a sticker on

You are wrong.
NEC does not produce USB PCI cards at all. NEC produces USB 2.0 chipsets, which are used by many different USB card manufacturers. Each manufacturer provides their own drivers supporting only their own cards.

[tjaoz]

@zacman

So it doesn't work with the old version anymore  

It works with old versions.

Remember there is no right for getting updates for
free.
 

In case of a commercial product, if a producer is making product bugfixes available in the public, the supplier must not ban access to them to selected clients according to his whims.

Such discrimination of clients is against the European law. I made the complain to the consumer organization in the seller's country and they will look into this case.

[tjaoz]

@Bill Hoggett

Are you utterly DENSE, as well as misinformed?
 

Why such impertinence?
It seems that you have problems with understanding the sentence to which you are responding. Read it once again, and hope you will understand it: 'All the files, which are parts of the Amithlon package (including powerpci.library) should be delivered by the Amithlon supplier. Is it not obvious for you?'

I did not mention any specific version, can't you see it?

The powerpci.library 2.11 is NOT part of the Amithlon package, not is it part of the updates.

Powerpci.library was always part of the Amithlon package.
The current version of this library is available at http://www.vmc.de/amithlon/ger_ami_soft.html

Is it still a problem for you?

You're full of lies and BS. I remember you now, Mr Rat. You're the one posting fabricated accusations against anyone whoever criticises Elbox in any way, and you support the inclusion of hostile virii in Elbox' commercial software.

If you have no reasonable arguments, you will write such offensive sentences.