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Offline rkidd7952

Re: Help! A500 minimegachip chipram mod gone wrong!
« on: January 08, 2017, 05:06:31 PM »
Quote from: darksun9210;819165
quick update. turned the trapdoor expansion on to see if the magic is still happening.

its not.

blackscreen. on power on, the floppy sounds like it does a quarter spin but nothing else. power light is steady. no capslock flash code. no screen output at all. no floppy clicks, no nothing.

powered off, turned off the trapdoor ram module, turned back on, and all is well... either the ram expansion is faulty, or I've screwed up cutting the traces to the trapdoor slot I guess.


Hi,

It sounds like you have JP2 set correctly.  For your memory expansion board, I'm not sure you even need to cut the trace on the motherboard.  I think having the enable switch set to *disabled* will be equivalent.

The trace that gets cut for the Rev 5 board connects Gary pin 32 (_EXRAM) to pin 32 on the memory expansion header.  You could test continuity between these two points to check whether the trace is truly cut.

_EXRAM is connected to ground to indicate that the memory expansion is present (as non-chip ram).  If this pin is disconnected, it gets pulled up to 5V by the Amiga.  For a 1MB chip configuration, this line must be disconnected from the expansion card, either by cutting the trace (rev5) or by cutting JP7A (rev6).

The Commodore A501 simply grounds pin 32 to indicate is presence to the Amiga.  I suspect the enable/disable switch on your card grounds pin 32 when in the Enable position.  You can verify this by checking continuity between pin 32 on the card and ground (pins 3/4 on the expansion, or any point along the thick trace that connects to these pins).  If your switch does ground pin 32, then putting the switching in the disable position is equivalent to cutting the trace on the motherboard.

You can also check the voltage on Gary pin 32 to see that it has the correct state for 1MB chip.  With the expansion installed, this pin should be a constant 5V in the 1MB chip configuration.  If this pin is 0V, the expansion is present in the 512k configuration.

I don't see evidence from your picture that the enable/disable switch does anything more than connect pin 32 to ground, but I can't say completely from the picture.  It looks like ground connects to the lower pin on the switch, and some signal line to the center pin.  That probably goes to pin 32 on the connector, but that trace is on the bottom side of the board.  Take a look at both sides of the board and see if there are any more connections to the switch besides the two traces visible on the top side.

Assuming the switch does nothing more than connect pin 32 to ground, I would leave the switch in the disable position and check voltages on the expansion board.  You should see 5V between pins 10 and 20 on the M514256 RAM chips.

Robert
 

Offline rkidd7952

Re: Help! A500 minimegachip chipram mod gone wrong!
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2017, 02:59:11 AM »
Quote from: darksun9210;819418
ok I was being a bit of a bell and measuring between 10 and 11 on the ram chips. now I have the right pins, i'm getting 4.77Volts between 10 and 20. had to confirm that DIPS follow a standard pin pattern.

Marstons EPA is only 3.6% but it's obviously enough to need me to double check my work at the very least.


Haha!  It sounds like the voltage is OK then.

Thanks for the picture of the bottom side of the board.  There's more going on with the switch than I thought at first.  The traces on the top side do indeed connect pin 32 to ground, but there are also traces on the bottom to enable the memory and clock chips.  The switch will have to be in the enable position to enable the chips.  That means the trace will need to be cut to use the board as chip RAM.

As for locating pin 32 on the expansion card, I don't think you've found the right one.  Starting from pin 1, count across the narrow (2 pin) width, then proceed down the length of the connector.  Page 4 in the A500 R6 schematic at http://amiga.serveftp.net/schematics.html#A500 has a good illustration of the numbering scheme.

Looking at the top side of the card, the odd pins are the upper/outer set of pins, and the even ones are the lower/inner set.  (Upper meaning the layer of pins closer to the keyboard when the card is installed.)  It looks like pin 32 connects to a short trace that connects to a via just to the left of the center resistor pack.

If you found that Gary pin 32 is at 0V with the expansion installed and enabled, it sure sounds like the trace is not completely cut.  Double check that you've found the correct pin on the connector and see if you have continuity between Gary and the connector.

Also try checking the voltage on Gary pin 32 with the expansion installed, but with the switch set to disable.

Robert
 

Offline rkidd7952

Re: Help! A500 minimegachip chipram mod gone wrong! FIXED!
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2017, 04:11:54 AM »
That's great!  Glad to hear you got it working.

Robert