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[nicholas]

Since ARIX isn't available or even been demoed publicly it shows nothing.

Sounds exactly like OS4.2. Your point is?

[nicholas]

Absolutley no disrepect intended to AROS developers: I can imagine how much hard work it is to maintain distributions for specific systems, the key to a viable business is having a current product that is available and in demand.  AROS Devs are always reactively developing their system to x86 hardware that has hit the retail shelves already, so hardware quickly becomes discontinued.  

Despite the long time AROS has been available since late 1990's, I do not see a plethora of AROS retailers out there and a lot of AROS machines sold.  I expect the AROS team continue development from a love of the original Amiga spirit, as we all do.  The big business question is: if you are confident that x86 Amiga is the commercial future of our platform, over the years why has AROS not attracted a significant market share yet?  Is it because of the pace of keeping up with x86 hardware changes?

Absolute nonsense.  AROS has drivers for more hardware than MorphOS and OS4 combined.

OS4 doesn't even support all the hardware on the X1000 and it's been around since 2009.

[nicholas]

I don't know why you bring OS4.2 into it, this isn't some kind of battle of the OS'.

Olaf said that "ARIX shows that it is possible to use Linux as base for driver support.".  The point is that without ARIX being out in the wild it does not and can prove or show anything.
People have to be able to see something to be shown.  Do you understand?

No one has been shown OS4.2 and its vapor "SMP", not even a description of how it might work as a concept (unlike ARIX) but you still believe.

[nicholas]

he propably means that not everything is supported. That is true (even the case on Linux) but for that you create custom build sytems using supported parts. That is already possible with Aros.

Just like the X1000 and OS4, so for anyone to try and make people believe otherwise is disingenuous at best.

[nicholas]

It should be noted, though, that a quick Google search suggests these boards start at about £280 including VAT, much more than an equivalently specced "normal" motherboard.
If A-Eon or Amigakit were to use these, they'd have people complaining about having to use years-old x86 motherboards when there are much cheaper brand-new ones out there.

Either way, they can't please everybody, so better to do what they are doing I think - make a design decision (i.e. custom PPC motherboards) and stick to it. Better than to keep changing direction.

They could always tie OS4 to used Intel Macs.

[nicholas]

Several beta-testers I believe are running the new kernel, but they're all under NDA, so you don't hear about it.

It's not vapour, though - it's just not out yet.

I've used ARIX since the middle of last year and I'm not even under NDA.

[nicholas]

An interesting suggestion I suspect they will choose to ignore.

Nah, they'll release it 5yrs too late like they did with the Pegasos II port if their track record is anything to go by.

[nicholas]

all who want to betatest it now have to sign a NDA. When I read it I thought after signing the NDA you are propably even not allowed to say that you signed a NDA :-).

It is existing but it does not look different to Aros. So even if there would be a video on youtube showing it booting people could still say it is Aros. And that is not untrue :-).

I see no reason to doubt that the concept works, otherwise why publishing the graphic. And there was a interesting discussion on amigaworld where the main kernel developer explained the concept.

I really haven't signed an NDA yet I still use it and have done so for over 6 months.

[nicholas]

I'm not sure I understand your point.
Does OS4.2 boot on any PPC hardware?
Is it free from glitches?
"hostile fanboi stereotype", yep you fit that.
Did you know that Nik has used OS4 in the past?

I thought about it myself, but only so I could play around with A-eon's neat hardware.

I still do use OS4 Jim, though because I believe both MorphOS and AROS to be superior to it (but for different reasons) for many people this makes anything I have to say on the matter irrelevant.

OS4 users aren't allowed to discuss it's shortcomings in public for fear of being tarred and feathered as a traitor.

[nicholas]

I guess you didn't understand the point then.  

Genrally when people say "Your point is?" it's because they do not understand the point you are failing to make, yes.

With regard to OS4.2 I haven't claimed that it proves multicore slots neatly into AmigaOS

Hyperion and it's various paid and unaid mouthpieces are liars?

to be truthful I will remain sceptical about whether or not it will work until I see it.  Please try to see past the hostile fanboi stereotype that I exist as in your mind.

Your words Rob.

Anyway since you say that you have had ARIXfor the past 6 months, does it boot on every x86 system you've tried, and are you no longer stuck with glitchy video modes on certain video hardware.
Is the concept a reality?

1. Yes.
2. Never had nor heard of that problem before you montioned it.  Seing as most about else who has used ARIX is under NDA - therefore cannot mention anything - are you sure you aren't just making that up?
3. Yes.

[nicholas]

Confusing isn't it?
Campaign to help them get a decent browser.
Try to offer some kind of laurel branch.
Get your hand bit off if your sound the least bit critical.

That sounds not too dissimimilar to a desription of a beaten wife.

"OS4 users - Ungrateful, paranoid, serial abusers" a great marketing slogan. :lol:

[nicholas]

ps Don't ask for more info about ARIX as I won't give any.  I may not be under NDA but I have respect for the developers.

[nicholas]

Of course, you start by supporting a select few boards - or even one board! Like you do with the X1000.


 You don't have to support every board.


 Right. How big is the Amiga market? Say you start by picking 1 board to support and buy 2000 of them. That's $100,000 for 2000 boards. How much was spent to develop the X1000? And how many boards were produced?


 That's why you start small.

Why do so many in the Amiga community think that it's all or nothing? Custom PPC or support EVERY x86 board? It doesn't have to be that way. Smart people don't want x86 support because they want to run AmigaOS on EVERY available motherboard - they want it so they don't have to spend $3000 on outdated hardware just to run an underdeveloped OS!

Amen to that!

[nicholas]

nu

Too busy wanting to feel offended to actually take in what I said.  



I don't seem to recall that I said in this thread that anyone had lied.




I think it was my Toshiba Celeron 1.8ghz based Laptop with Intel video that it failed to even boot on, and the Core2 system with a Radeon 4670 that I was stuck with %&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!ty slow VESA mode with some serious graphical glitches.
On other systems I tried in the past, mainly 32-bit Athlon with GeForce 2 video I have had no problems watsoever and there was a Dell system I tried once too and had sucess.
None of this is made up.

Just curious if ARIX will make such a hit and miss factor a thing of the past since, that presumably is the point of using Linux underpinnings.

You didn't boot ARIX on your Core2 nor did you boot it on your Athlon Rob, so what is the point you are trying to make?

[nicholas]

   And the funny part is that many of the loudest complainers, are mos and aros fanboys. Who will never get os4.

 

Except that I'm a Hyperion customer who uses OS4. Other than that your analysis is spot on.

edit: Reading through this thread again, the people you are complaining about are neither MOS nor AROS fanboys, so what was your point again?