Ease off bashing AmigaONE X1000?

[nicholas]

I'd like to see MorphOS running on the X1000, but is Trevor willing to pay the MOS-Team a proper fee to port it rather than just offer them a motherboard and hope they'll do it for free?

[nicholas]

TMGHM , do you know that for a fact, or are you just being, well you, and trying your best to bash the x1000.

I am very sure that the x1000 did not push people away, I actually believe it did quite the opposite.

It pushed me away into the loving arms of MorphOS 3.2 on a PowerBook.

Hyperion could quite easily port OS4 to Mac hardware but for reasons only known to themselves they choose not to.

And before anyone starts with the BS excuse that they are legally bound to only support AmigaONE branded hardware I will point you to the Pegasos II and ACube SAM ports. Neither of those platforms are legally AmigaONE branded hardware.

[nicholas]

All of that was prior to the importance of branding being stressed.
After your examples they rebranded Sam460 as "Amigaone 500".
One must protect the branding you know by using it.

Regardless, "they" have two h/w developers to consider now, and making such a decision would obviously affect them.

#6

Twaddle.

they are cutting their noses off to spite their face.  They have lost many many sales by not porting to Mac hardware.

[nicholas]

Do you have some real facts, some real numbers or are you just speculating?

Personal experience. I know at least 30 people who would buy OS4 if it were available for Mac hardware, myself included.

I know of at least two of the OS4 developers that would like to see it ported to Mac hardware but he who must be obeyed Herr Fuhrer Hermans says no.

What is he afraid of? Could it be that people might compare it unfavorably to MorphOS on the same hardware and refrain from purchasing it?

Capitalism is all about risk. No risk, no win.

[nicholas]

I'm invoking Godwin's Law here!

There are many good reasons for why they didn't support the Mac, and it's been covered at length before.

All of them BS too.

The reason is that Benji says no so it won't happen.

I have the ISO image of the Mac Mini port right here, so it's not only possible its quite simple.

[nicholas]

I dont care.   I use MorphOS 3.2 and a G5.  :-)

+1

[nicholas]

I've got you beat on that one.
My 1.42 GHz iBook only set me back $70.
And it works quite well.
Its just painful that the OS key is in the highest tier (meaning I almost have to spend twice as much for the license).



Trevor's little vanity project is pretty impressive.
He took the ACK Systems/Ainc. specs and ran with them finding a partner that could actually obtain the CPUs and build the systems.
I was exchanging e-mail with Paul Gentle (@ Varisys) for months before it was commonly known who A-eon's partner was.
Trevor picked the perfect guys to lead this.



I try not to bash OS4.
And I still get comments like "we're only developing for 'real' AmigaOS".
What everyone seems to forget is that all the MorphOS developers are former AmigaOS developers.
Some of the best, as a matter of fact.

This fiction that pride in your creation has led to a "red vs. blue war" is ridiculous.

All it done is chase the knowledgeable MorphOS supporters off this site.

Anyone notice that Piru doesn't post here anymore?

+1

While we are on the subject, can someone remind me who wrote OS4 and what they did for the Amiga scene before that?

Then we can list the MorphOS developers and what they did previously for the Amiga scene.

It should make for interesting reading no?

[nicholas]

AmigaOS is direct continuation of AmigaOS no shame and no lie in that.

It's mostly a complete rewrite from scratch. Why do you think it took them so long to release the first version?

Even the Frieden brothers stated this on Ann.lu many years ago.

MorphOS and AROS are quite based from their own code, much pride in that.
Hyperion did just few game ports prior to OS4, but great ones that no one has done in Amiga world.

I was asking for names of coders. Let me start it off with a few, Ralph Schmidt, Frank Mariak, Harry Sintonen, Stefan Stuntz.

Your turn.

I have no doubts in MOS coders skills, wish we were one team, really.

Benji boy put paid to any chance of that a long time ago.

You are originating from Bosnia? Nice :-)

No but I have Bosnian family members.

[nicholas]

Surely now, but it started with OS 3.0 source ....

A rewrite means that it was written from scratch, no different to AROS or MorphOS.

http://www.morphos.de/team

As you do know, we poor bastards stand just with Frieden brothers and few other good men :-)

However, if you do take AmigaOS as continuation of AmigaOS, list looks good. And have some similar names.

Sadly its not the case today.

I don't take AmigaOS as a continuation of the Amiga OS. Firstly because it's a rewrite (Remember The Friedens vs Hyperion court case?), secondly if it were it would have the legal right to use the Amiga trademark, which it doesn't.

MorphOS started as a rewrite of the Amiga OS by the "superstar" coders of the Amiga scene who had spent the 90's keeping our beloved platform alive.  OS4 started because a greedy wannabe lawyer and a greedy truck driver wanted to milk as much money as they could from what was remaining of our community.

Unfortunately for Billy and Benji most of the best coders had already started the MorphOS project and they were left with hardly anyone of note to write their Amiga OS clone "AmigaOS".

Well, there is always hope of small market for example making people working together.

The AROS and MorphOS teams have already worked together for years.

Soon I ll start thinking everyone has a Bosnian family  :-)

Well I would have even more but the Chetniks brutally raped and murdered them.

But that's a story for the Coffee House forum methinks.

[nicholas]

Also, MorphOS is a commercial product. You wouldn't want your source code copied. That was a unjustified charge Dave Haynie made about Ralph Schmidt's work years ago.

http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/morphoscritics.html

[nicholas]

I believe that the MorphOS developers stopped paying him and that he is no longer actively working for them.
But I have heard some rumblings in the OS4 community about licensing a version.

As I remember it Genesi stopped paying certain members of the MOS-Team (David Gerber etc).

MUI4 now belongs to the MOS-Team anyway and there isn't a cat in hell's chance that it will see a port to another OS no matter what Steven Solie may claim to the contrary.

> IIRC Stefan Stuntz actually did put an offer to Hyperion of licensing MUI at
> some point (like almost a decade ago), but it was turned down.

...by the MorphOS Team and/or Genesi, that is. You can re-read the story there:

http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3234&forum=14

> Stefan Stuntz [...] made a re-entry and started to work on MUI 4 [...]. [...] Probably
> some money were involved from the MorphOS team for this "return of the Stuntz".

*Some* Genesi (or Thendic-France) money might indeed be the proper choice of words here ;-)

http://web.archive.org/web/20080719142959/http://www.morphos.net
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=http://www.amiga-news.de/de/news/AN-2005-01-00108-DE.html

http://www.morphzone.info/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=9339&forum=3#102489

[nicholas]

I think Hyperion were in the OS business before BBRV.

Not that it matters much. They both lost.

We the users lost the most.

[nicholas]

i think there always be problems in attitude and confrontations. therefore where the people claim prominent positions it will always be handicap. again i see here advantage in aros, where i feel it is not so important and even if there are leading personalities the whole effort is rather anonymous and easier to identify with without a need to subject oneself.

I have no doubt that AROS (Well, a derivative of it) will win in the end.

[nicholas]

it has promise, Nik.
But consider how many Linux distros have withered up and gone away.

True, but when Hyperion finally run out of cows to milk and the money dries up and the MOS-Team get bored/die from old age the code to AROS will still be there for anyone to hack away at and compile.

[nicholas]

You mean just waiting till all competition has died? Would be a little too long for my taste :-). I hope that with progress of AROS at least some people of the community will be persuaded to use it. And then there are much more people outside...

I personally don't think Hyperion will last more than another couple of years at most, but I'm only guessing.

AROS and MorphOS teams already cooperate and I can't see why that should stop anytime soon.