Does Linux have an Amiga feel?

[nicholas]

No, not even remotely similar.  Which is a good thing.

[nicholas]

Oh if we are talking about the GUI then I use Ken's Icons on my Linux machines. Well, the ones that have a GUI installed on them that is.

[nicholas]

Seriously ? I cannot think of a single operating system that epitomized a revolution than Linux. Without it and the open source ecosystem that blossoms from its very roots , the internet, the mobile space, even the desktop space would be a very different place indeed. Companies like google - if they even existed at all would be very different to what we see today.

you need to read this book  
http://books.google.co.uk/books/about/Rebel_Code.html?id=kIU1scm4w6QC

Im not trying to start an OS war here - but I cant stand by and read a comment like yours without responding.


As much as i love the Amiga - Im not so dumb as to make suggestions that Linux does not feel like a revolutionary OS. That really just shows that you've never taken the time to understand its roots or even use it for any great length of time. The amiga OS was great in its time , but its time is in the past.
I cannot comment on os 4.x - But by todays standards classic amiga OS does not cut the mustard against most modern operating systems. I chose to use Linux as my primary OS many many moons ago and my initial thoughts were that it reminded me of AmigaOS - things have changed since then - but Id rather not be hold to either Microsoft OR Apple - and that sentiment has not changed much since then. (I had leanings towards Mac when OSX hit the scene but when i realised they were taking a lot from the community and not giving back it didnt help matters)


N

Much as I despise the whole hipster culture associated with Apple products, their corporate greed and their patent war BS, I have to correct your last comment.

All of the Open and Free code that Apple takes is improved and contributed back, even the stuff they don't have to keep open due to the permissive BSD licence is available for anyone to download.

What they don't give the source away for is some of their own in-house developed proprietary stuff like the Cocoa Framework and Logic Pro etc.

http://opensource.apple.com

[nicholas]

Negative. AIX is available for iSeries, pSeries, and of course zSeries. So, not just on mainframes.

All this talk of IBM Big Iron has triggered off latent memories of AS/400 development in the late-90's/early-00's.  Not all of them pleasant either! :lol:

[nicholas]

"Latent" memories... Hmmmm..


OK, they call it the System i now, but it'll always be an AS/400 to me.. ;-)

desiv

Methinks the marketing drone that thought up the System I moniker was on crack!

Synon 2E was something I never touched,  Magic was the competing "post-4GL" I specialised in.

http://devnet.magicsoftware.com/en/library?book=en/uniPaaS/&page=uniPaaS_for_iSeries_Guide.htm

[nicholas]

I only understand that I used to hear about these expensive Sun and Silicon graphics workstations and I wondered why anyone used them and what they did with them, but it was too expensive to find out. Now it's not too expensive to find out, but I don't know how old any of the hardware on eBay is because these systems aren't familiar to me. As for being "oldschool" I've recently seen videos of Sun and Silicon Graphics workstations with their nice, custom GUIs and they don't look old school to me. I don't know what the difference is between this and totally up to date Sun or Silicon Graphics workstations. Here's a video I watched yesterday. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ3eKYXk9EI

Rather than buy some old outdated Sun workstation you could try the Solaris fork Open Indiana on any old PC or VM.

http://openindiana.org

[nicholas]

Here here.

Back in the day I used to run Slackware with Fluxbox windows manager, because it ran nicely on my low-spec PC. But it had its shortcomings in the user experience department, so taking up the Open Source spirit I thought I'd delve into it and fix some things myself. And nobody was interested. I added something so simple as a button on the toolbar to return to the desktop, and nobody saw the point of it because there is a keyboard shortcut for that already, why would you want to use the mouse? The word "shortcut" ought to imply that it's supposed to be the alternative way to do things. I had people seriously tell me that since Fluxbox was intended to be lightweight, making it user-friendly was missing the point somehow, and if I wanted usability why don't I just use Gnome or KDE?

So, frankly, as for the "fix it yourself" mentality, well I can do that but if that's the response then screw it. I don't want to spend weeks staring at somebody else's poorly-documented code trying to work out where to put a single line fix that would have taken the maintainers five minutes, only to be told I shouldn't even have bothered.

Feature!=Fix

[nicholas]

If we are going down that route then I change my vote to yes because of Amithlon.



Did someone say ARIX?

[nicholas]

Almost forgot about that.  Strange animal the likes of which we may never see again.

My lips are sealed.......

[nicholas]

Well socialism proper is when The People own the means of production, either co-operatively or individually, the Status Quo kind of in a panic now, trying to subvert the inevitable, now they must surely realise that anyone at all can, with the right skills, produce any of the things that they have held a monopoly over in the last few decades.

+1 to that!

[nicholas]

No ! Sacrilege.

Amiga was based on TripOS - a mainframe supercomputer. Amiga is supposed to be different, super optimized, efficient, multitasking, state of the art technology and concepts to blow competition away for years.

What we need is a chipset or virtual chipset with RTG, hardware accelerated direct to GFX card. Let people 'bang the metal' using the AVC (Amiga Virtual Chipset) using standardized API for GFX, media encode/decode MP4/AVI/7.1 surround s and a Virtual Processor Assembly codebase with plugin support.

Yes, we need a Virtual Cross Platform Assembler, Cross Amiga Assembler + script support. With this, users can create addons to extend the language for every area and never worry about efficiency or compatibility. The code will just compile like AMOS 'just works' Magic.

http://www.amiga.com/about/history/?t=anywhere

[nicholas]

Don't feel bad..
Computers are confusing..  But keep at it...  You'll get it...  ;-)  :roflmao:

I've been using computers for quite a while also...
No system has ever gotten me that frustrated...
Every system has it's moments / quirks..

But they are all pretty similar, even if they don't admit it...  ;-)

I find that most of the people I work with who can't stand a particular system had a bad experience with that system early on, and then they just "shut down" for that system.
No amount of tweaks or fixes or improvements will matter..  They've decided, and that's OK.  There are plenty of options...

I have systems I prefer.. I have systems I'm not a huge fan of...  
But, at the end of the day, they are all computers..  Even the midrange systems...  ;-)
(I remember getting our AS400 (at the time) admin mad at a meeting when we were discussing importance of systems and I told him that they were all important, and his AS400 was just another node on my network.. ;-)

desiv

Ha ha, I bet that went down like a lead balloon.

On reading some of the posts in this thread I'm reminded of the old clichés "A good workman never blames his tools" and "Use the right tool for each job".

There are no absolute truths in computing and everything is subjective. Just use the tools you are most productive with or the tools you get paid to use that you have no choice over.

Here endeth the sermon.

[nicholas]

You need virus protection on Linux, there just isn't any.
 
When someone can be bothered to target you then you'll be stuffed.

If I write a new virus today tell me how your anti-virus will protect you against it.

No matter what the OS is the proper solution against viruses is the prompt installation of a patch for the security hole the virus exploits.

Once the OS vendor patches said hole, why would there be any need for an anti-virus program?  It can't protect you against a new virus and there is no need for it to protect against holes that have been patched.

Anti-virus software is just snake-oil.

[nicholas]

And this attitude would be Why People Do Not Like the Linux User Culture.

Jackass.


I spent about eight years making multiple attempts to get into Linux. I've tried at least half a dozen distros, in multiple versions. I took a course on it when I was in college. And ultimately, I realized that I was putting more work into trying to force myself to acclimate to a badly-designed system for the sake of ideology than I'd spent learning every other OS I've used put together, and concluded that it just wasn't worth the pain.

But no, you go ahead and keep insisting that I just haven't tried.


Which is an awfully convenient loophole for crappy toolmakers.

See sig.

[nicholas]

Oh FFS John, give it a rest you whiny old queen.