3 more NatAmi's - Yippee!

[Franko]

That's not enough. The NatAmi would also have to either run off of or synchronize itself to the 28Mhz clock and the H and V Sync signals provided by the genlock, and the NatAmi would also have to provide the pixel switch signal to the genlock.

And I'm guessing it can do none of those things.

You could be right...

Haven't seen enough about the actual RGB video output specs on the NatAmi to say for certain one way or the other...

For me personally it would be no great loss but obviously for folk like XDelusion then things like this will play a part in their decision on whether to buy or not, guess only one of the developers could answer such questions...

[Franko]

What do you suggest we use instead?

Dry numerical benchmarks may be more accurate, but they don't capture the imagination in the same way. A demo coding competition may be an option, but that only really applies after the hardware has had a full launch. A launch title or two is an option, but they're unlikely to stretch the hardware without extensive effort being put into them.

In my mind that only really leaves one option, which is re-using existing code. Do you agree? So what existing code is likely to be a better way to show off the power of the hardware than Quake 2?

Quake2... Gawd... that would be enough to put me of the NatAmi for life... :rolleyes:

You want a better suggestion instead of advertising it as just another board to play crap on then, how about a new or updated Web Browser to take advantage of it's speed and inbuilt features, or how about new GFX package to show of the new GFX modes...

There's a couple for starters and none of them "DOOM  CLONE RELATED", I get it by now that your a fan of these type of games but not everyone is and not everyone is wanting to pay a small fortune for the NatAmi just to be able to do so...

You keep asking people what do you suggest but can only come up with the same answer time and time again, why not try and suggest something else yourself (and I don't mean the same old Quake 2 or Doom clone answer) instead of just criticising others and giving the same answer over and over again...

[Franko]

Actually I'm not.



I keep suggesting the same answer because nobody is offering anything better, and it's the best one I can think of.

A web browser, not bad, but not terribly impressive either. Remember, we're looking for something to show of the power of the system, a web browser is a useful tool but I rarely go to a webpage and get blown away by the graphics.

So what would be more impressive, graphics wise, than Quake 2 (and yes I know I said that name again, let's see if you can respond reasonably)?

There's no arguing with a one track mind is there...

I gave you two perfectly good suggestions, and surprise, surprise what do you respond with "QUAKE RUDDY 2"... :rolleyes:

I'll put it a simply as I can "QUAKE 2" or any type of 3D game is not going to impress someone like me in the slightest bit whatsoever...

In fact just the opposite it would put me off buying the thing if it's claim to fame was "Look I can play 3D style Games just like a PC or a games console"...

Such things may impress you but the have the exact opposite affect on me. Think about it in all honesty for a minute. With the estimated price a NatAmi is going to cost how many folk who are really willing to pay that price are going to do so just to play a 3D style game that they could do so better on a higher powered and cheaper PC or games console...

Do you get it now... for the price and potential buyers it is aimed at 3D games are not going to be impressive to most of them for exactly the reasons I have given above...

There's a very reasonable response for you, now you come up with a decent suggestion yourself and not this teenage boy racer mentality you have and you're obvious easily pleased attitude of "oh look... it plays Quake 2, that's well worth spending all that dosh on just to try and look cool"...

I eagerly await your answer...

Let me guess... erm Quake 2 by any chance... :rolleyes:

[Franko]

Why don't you guys do a custom natami demo to show off the systems capabilities then? You can use 16 bit sound and some ridiculous 3d graphics. Much in the style of old school amiga demos, but with better sound, richer graphics and smoother animations due to increased processor capability. If you really want to push the system and show it off right, a custom programmed demo would be best.
 
EDIT : I agree with franko, if people are just interested in quake, they can play that on any crap pc...
 
Steven

I'd be far more impressed by something like that than seeing it run Quake 2 or similar. At least the demoscene guys come up with some very impressive and original GFX effects that have often left me saying "now that is neat & impressive" and  "gawd... I wonder how they created those effects"...

Anything really would be better than "aw crap it's another PC/ console clone that's only built for playing those ruddy 3D style games that all look and play the same"...

[Franko]

Yep, a Natami demo contest is in order!

Erm... slight problem... how we gonna write demos to take advantage of it's features until we own one... :confused:

Could use our imaginations I suppose, anyone got a spare imagination I could borrow for a few days, I'll give it back (washed & folded of course) honest...

[Franko]

No flies on you, eh.

There are but the squirrels pick them off and eat them for me...

To cut quickly through all that you wrote there, I'll just answer quickly...

For the "boy racer mentality" re-read your previous posts...

Yup games on the Amiga never were a big part of it for me (can only say the one game that really impressed me back in the day was "The Feary Tale Adventure"...

You claim you'd need to find a great artist to demonstrate a new paint package, well that shouldn't be hard to do with the talent the Amiga Community has, so who's the great programmer your going to have to find to make this super duper version of Quake 2 then...

Thing is your talking about having something for the launch date that will push and demonstrate the machines boundaries, how do you achieve that when only a limited number of people have access to the machines before they launch !!!

As for the magazine coverage (what magazines !!!) but if their was some, I would be looking more for an independent review of the machine, covering it's specs and a thorough testing by the reviewer/s and wouldn't be impressed by just some screenshots of a 3D style game or any screenshots for that matter, pretty GFX alone don't impress me, backwards compatibility and an honest review of the potential of the machine is what I look for...

Of course no matter what any of us have to say or what our opinions of it are at this moment in time really mean nothing until they day we can each get our grubby little mits on one and see what it can do for ourselves and hopefully inspire folk (myself included) to start writing new Amiga stuff to take advantage of it's basic speeds and new capabilities...

[Franko]

Sure, you wouldn't compete them directly against other Amigas, and the first demos for it probably would end up in the "wild" category, but hopefully it could develop into its own category. I'd say many people still look at the years when Amiga was at its peak as the golden age for demo coding, this nostalgia plus the chance to expand on an existing skillset should (hopefully) prove compelling to some in the demoscene. It's not guaranteed, but it's not out of the question either.


That's just one person though, it's hardly indicative of a trend.

Wow... I actually agree with you on those points :eek:

Think I'd better go lie down for a wee while...

Night... Night... or Morning... Morning in your case (I think)...

PS: I just noticed your other post and would respond but it's 2:05 am here and I'm going to have me dinner and go to bed, you could probably guess my replies anyway...

[Franko]

@ HenryCase

I thought you lived in upside down land !!!

I'm sure you post with an Australian accent...

England you say... you could be making that up and I wouldn't know, prove it then, if you really live in England then what colour is it...

PS: Had me dinner... now I'm really off to bed...

[Franko]

@ ChaosLord

Me scientific... nah... I'd don't believe anything until I have studied it thoroughly, scrupulously analysed it, studied it wee bit more then analysed it again just to make sure...

Nothing scientific in that, just being picky...


@Lord AGA

With you on the Chip RAM, you can never have enough Chip RAM (although not quite the problem it was if you have plenty of Fast RAM & FBlit installed, good, but far from perfect)...

Thing is like I said before really until the day we can start to buy these for ourselves it's all just speculation and hope for now, only when folk have these little beauties themselves will we truly begin to find what the NatAmi is capable of...

[Franko]

And another thing I just remembered
NatAmi will have an A500 keyboard connector. Sooooo...

Drat... All I've got are A1200's and a couple of A2000 & A4000 keyboards...

Oh well better have a wee look on eBay now...

[Franko]

Oh no, it will not be A500 connector only. Don't get me wrong.
You will be able to use your A2000/A4000 keyboards just fine. Also PC keyboards. But I don' think we like that
It is interesting to think of a say... a broken A500, with motherboard removed. And NatAmi motherboard inserted

I did think I had read that somewhere that I could use the A2000 or A4000 keyboard with it...

While I'd most likely build a custom tower for mine (bit like my main A1200) to add plenty of HD's, DVD writers etc... I had also though it would be neat to build one into an A1200 case...

Suppose it will all depend on how good it is once it's launched and it's availability, might end up with one towered and another in an A1200 case...

[Franko]

If you take a looksee at progress reports, you can see in the pics that right now the boards are working with big box Amiga keyboards.
And just like you, I already have several ideas how I would like to build my NatAmi setups.
Just need to rob a bank somewhere

Just make sure it's not the one in the High Street, cos I've been casing that joint for months now...

[Franko]

Yeah, I want to shell out the cash, for another Amiga want to be that isn't up to date, or as fast as a so called piece of trash PC machine. The legacy lives on. YIPPPEEEE!!!

Hi Smerf...

Where you been you grumpy old fart...

Anyhoo... you aint got not taste man and you're far too sensible to appreciate what sploshing the dosh on a brand new outa date bit of hardware really means...

You stick to crappy PC's and leave the Amiga Legacy & Tradition to be proudly continued by us loonies who know a real computer when we see one...

Cheers

Franko

PS: Did they manage to get all one hundered and eleventeen candle on your birthday cake...

EDIT: Oi... cheat you've just gone and an changed yer avy-tar...

[Franko]

Hi,

Blah... Blah... Blah... (sorry had to cut that part as it not what I'm going to post about)...

THE ORIGINAL AMIGA WAS ABOUT INNOVATION, IT DIDN'T COPY ANY OTHER COMPUTER, IT WAS THE LATEST AND THE BEST, AND I WON'T LET ANY OTHER FAKE, IMMATATING SYSTEM TRY TO STEAL AWAY THE ORIGINAL AMIGA'S LEGACY.

SMERF

Hi Smerf...

Your confused aint ya (forgot to take the meds toaday !!!)...

Yes the Amiga was Innovative, so why on frigging earth would anyone with any brains want to go to all this bother to create the NatAmi just so monkeys can play the crappiest games ever designed on it !!!

You talk about Fallout, Crysys 2 etc... (you know, the games brain dead people with no imagination play and are easily impressed by, poor sods) but you simply fail to understand the NatAmi wasn't designed to waste it's time on such crap...

You already have the solution to play such games, your PC's that you say are sooo great and yet your still not happy with them, you really are befudeled today...

So that begs the question, even though I know you've got a large Amiga collection that you don't use under the guise that you are "saving them" and instead choose to run an Amiga emulator on one of your crappy PC's that you don't even like... :confused:

Soooo, why do you bother with the Amiga at all if, A) You never use one (and no, running an emulator on a PC doesn't count) and B) Are you really not an old geezer after all and just some spotty seventeen year old who thinks 3D style games are cool and drives a laughable souped up tiny compact car where the sound system is worth more than the vehicle itself...

Cheers

Franko

PS: That avatars better, the jebus like one was more like one of XDelusions cast offs...

[Franko]

He he... I think Smerf got out smurfed today...

He'll be back (after his meds) to try once again and burst everyone's bubble, he's the best bubble burster around (normally), guess he was having an off day today...

[Franko]

Ah, so that's what you mean by 'boy racer mentality'. So anyone who enjoys games in 3D has a 'boy racer mentality, yes?

Correcto mundo...