3 more NatAmi's - Yippee!

[Franko]

Man... I hope the NatAmi arrives before I kick the bucket...

Just imagine the software you could write to take advantage of the new GFX modes & all that speed as standard but the thing that tops it all off for me is the fact I can write all this new software in 68K Assembler and run it on OS3.x... that's my idea of heaven...

[Franko]

I think Piru feels threatened by the NatAmi, simple reason being that when it becomes available we will truly have a "new" Amiga that can run at speeds unheard of before (even with a PPC board), ease of use for adding things like HD's DVD writers etc... but most of all the threat comes from the fact that it's 68K (so to speak) and will run 3.x at speed we could only ever dream about before...

Piru, you shouldn't worry that this will stop people using MorphOS or that you'll lose custom because of it, as I reckon most MorphOS users are too mean anyway to shell out the cash that a NatAmi will cost, so you and the hundred or so MorphOS users can go on with your system while the rest of us real Amigans enjoy the dream machine we have waited so long for...

[Franko]

@ Piru

First you chime in with trying to put a damper on the NatAmi with your rubbish about it won't be as fast as X,Y,Z... :rolleyes:

Then you respond to my post by saying "Rest of your nonsense isn't worth commenting."... :rolleyes:

Now after saying that you go back and edit your post to make more spurious claims and trying to put the NatAmi down once again... :rolleyes:

Well I've got news for you Mr MiseryGuts... no-one cares what you think about the Natami or the rubbish claims you make against it or your wee made up so called "facts & figures"...

We get it... you don't think much about the NatAmi and we don't care what you think, so kindly toddle off elsewhere and leave the NatAmi to those of us who still enjoy using "Real" Amigas and "Real" Amiga OS's like Workbench 3.x and can appreciate all the hard work and effort that has gone into this amazing piece of kit and the fact that it will be the closest thing ever to being a REAL Amiga that has been seen since the A1200... ta very glad...

[Franko]

@ alexh

Gotta disagree with you strongly on almost all you said there (especially about Piru ) but all kidding aside I think you are wrong, the NatAmi is basically promising 100% backwards compatibility,  I (and I don't think anyone else is either) looking for it to replace any kind of PC (what give you that idea !!!) I am quite simply looking forward to buying new hardware that's an Amiga not a PC, is backward compatible and runs faster than any expanded Amiga ever could, not to mention all the other goodies it will bring...

It's got nothing to do with folk developing new software for it (though I intend to do so myself) the simple fact that most old software from DPaint to Pagestream will run a lot faster on it is what I'm looking forward to...

So to me comparing the NatAmi to other processors and the speeds they run at is pointless (as well as stupid to be honest). I think anyone who's looking forward to buying the NatAmi already knows it's capabilities and are very happy with what it offers and are going to be quite happy buying this rather than spending a fortune on ebay for a nearly 20 year old 060 that you can't guarantee will work or last long...

Kinda think all you "doubters" are deliberately missing the point in the NatAmi...

[Franko]

@ alexH

Of course I discount UAE as it's plain and simply got as much in common with "real" amiga as Amiga Forever has... (ie: sod all)

The MiniMig while a great product was never for me (took them too long to make it AGA and no AGA then no Amiga), quite simply the specs the NatAmi is offering is what I want & require from an Amiga and all the other reasons I've given before...

Closed source, open source, Top ruddy secret... I couldn't care less about how, who, what or why it's developed as long as I can simply buy one and it does what I want it to do...

So the doubters and downers can say all they want about it, you won't change my mind. First chance I get I'm buying one no matter how much someone else tells me "but it's old technology and xyz chip can run at abc times more faster than it"... who friggin cares... not me... I want a NatAmi and I want one now...

[Franko]

@ Tripitaka

Yup when I read your post I thought "that buggers got a camera in here spying on me somewhere" :eek:

(Hmmm... better have a quick look round... )

[Franko]

Wrong. They have never promised this, the only project that has promised 100% compatibility

Erm... afraid your wrong there... when I first heard of the NatAmi last year and visited the site 100% backwards compatibility was clearly stated on it and is the main reason why I support this project so much...

Think about it like this, is a stock Commodore A1200 able to run 100% of Amiga software? Even with hacks like WHDLoad, an A1200 will probably struggle to run some old OCS software (stuff that relies on Kick 1.2 for instance). There has never been (AFAIK) an Amiga that ran 100% of all Amiga software.

Well... duh... were not talking about the user having to add hacks or stuff like WHDload just to run some games, when they said 100% backwards compatible I realised that this would mean the same problems a REAL A1200 would have for example in trying to run some really old stuff...

On top of this, backwards compatibility has never been the prime focus of Natami (unlike the CloneA), but rather the focus has been on pushing the Amiga architecture forward. Here's an interview (from March 2011) with a Natami team member that gives a more realistic assessment:
http://www.reviewmylife.co.uk/blog/2011/03/23/natami-native-amiga-interview/

Well like I say that's not what I read last year on their site and it's the main reason why I think the NatAmi is such a promising piece of kit, so either your wrong or they lied on their website, only time will tell...
 

You're missing the point about the statements that have been made in this thread. The people who have commented aren't against Natami per se, but rather have disagreed with distorted statements about the Natami. It's the statements that are the issue, not the hardware.

Just like them, I like the Natami, and am interested in seeing it released, but get pissed off when people make stupid statements about the power it'll have, as it makes the project seem more ridiculous than it actually is. Tone down the hype and all will be well.

Cobblers... if you believe that then your dumber than I gave you credit for...

If people are so "pissed off" about stupid statements then complain to the NatAmi team and site as I am only going by what I have read on their site...

This project may "seem ridiculous" to you and it's obvious you don't like it despite your claim to the contrary, so lets just say I choose to believe what the developers say rather than someone who just seems to want to criticise them for the sake of it...

PS: Tone down the criticising and every thing will be hunkey dorey...

[Franko]

You should support the CloneA then. The Natami team have never promised 100% backwards compatibility, if you know they did then share the website link.

Erm... here where it says "The Natami is compatible to the OCS/ECS/AGA AMIGA chipsets"

http://www.natami.net/amiga-compatible.htm

So unless the term "compatible" is being used here to mean "ok it might be wee bit compatible and not exactly quite compatible" then I take that to mean it will be 100% friggin compatible...

Really? Let's look at it this way, offers to join the Natami team:
HenryCase: 1
Franko:

Big deal "you offered to join the NatAmi team" heck I offered to join the Brownies but I don't boast about it and what the frig has that got to do with the price of cheese in Afghanistan... :rolleyes:

PS: They turned me down cos I didn't have a beard...

As I said before, I like the Natami, have supported it/defended it for about 3/4 years, and am excited about its release. What annoys me is the fanboys who make outlandish claims not based in reality (plenty of examples if you need them), which makes it harder for people like me to convince skeptics to take the project seriously.

I'm repeating myself now, if you can't understand that I don't have a problem with the Natami by now then you're not listening.

You've got a strange way of showing your support, lets see... hmmm... you back up people who pop into a thread rattling their gums about other processor speeds that have sod all to do with the Natami, then you complain about folk saying how a happy they are about the NatAmi and tell them not to "hype" it up by saying things that have been clearly claimed on the NatAmi site and elsewhere... :rolleyes:

Yeah you're a really great supporter of the project aint ya...

Note to self: Never have HeadCase sorry HenryCase on your side, stick to your enemies, at least their consistent...

[Franko]

I live in good faith, yet remain critical and cautious of the environment around me. Simple.

Don't call Kesa "Simple" it's not his fault, he was frightened once by a giant floating turd while surfing, or had you forgotten... now leave dolly alone...

[Franko]

F**k me! I was just thinking about that turd about 4 minutes ago!  :roflmao:

I knew it... you've been mentally scared for life by that experience...

That's one of the reasons why I don't go near Water (cept for me annual bath) you never know what's lurking in the depths just waiting to nab you... :nervous:

[Franko]

@ whiteb

Name those titles you claim "will JUST NOT run" oh wise one...

Point is if all that is claimed on the NatAmi site is true and what the developers have said is true, then for me the NatAmi is the closest things we are ever going to have as being basically a brand new A1200 that you will be able to buy and easily add HD's etc too, without paying an arm & a leg on eBay to buy some 20 year old equipment that may or may not be working...

Put it this way if the NatAmi could run ALL Amiga software WITHOUT the need for patches or WHDLoad etc..., then it would actually be better than a real Amiga but it wont be and I'm not expecting it too...

I expect to have the same problems I would encounter on a real A1200 trying to run some really old stuff on it and that's what makes it truly comaptible...

Never cared for the MiniMig as it wasn't AGA as far as I knew but googling it you find stuff that claim it was, either way it doesn't matter to me personally as the MiniMig, Clone-A and FPGAReplay don't impress me but the NatAmi does so my only interest lies in the NatAmi...

All the talk about this is faster, that is better and all the rest such rubbish opinions mean diddly squat to me as well. I'll go by what the developers say and what I read on the NatAmi site and when the beta-testing is all said and done and it lives up to the hype, then I'll be first in line to buy one, then and only then will I know if it's all it's claimed to be but I'm quite prepared to take that chance...

So no matter how much all the armchair experts want to claim this and that about the NatAmi and what they THINK it can and cannot do, how it should have been done better and rattle their gums about the speed other processors can run at, or gibber jobbies about whether the MiniMig is AGA or not, I COULDN'T GIVE A SH!TE...

When the NatAmi is finally ready and promises to live up to what has been claimed of it by the developers, then they have at least one assured customer in me and THAT is all that matters to me...

[Franko]

Back on the topic of Natamis, saw this video on YouTube the other day, think it would be a good target for Natami to aim for to show off its performance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02ZJNz3kt9o

If Quake 2 runs that well on a 68060 (admittedly with a Voodoo 3 card too) on a normal Amiga, I imagine you'd be looking at comparable (or possibly better, with the increased memory performance) results on a Natami. Worth a go at least, right? :-)

Not having a go here... but... AAAARGH...

Why do people have to compare how good a computer is by talking about crappy games like Quake, Doom and all those other looky like pieces of junk... :confused:

The Amiga (and NatAmi hopefully) is far more than a games machine (and has far better games than Doom or it's clones for it anyway) so why do folk always have to judge a machine by how well it can play one of these poxy ruddy games... :confused:

Get right on my diddies that does... :rolleyes:

[Franko]

People use these types of games as yardstick of performance as they're fast paced action games, open-source and ported to many platforms that (in the case of the Quake series) have framerate capturing tools built in (maybe Doom does too, not sure).

If you know of a better game to measure 3D performance, please suggest it.

Think you missed the point I was making here..

Who cares about 3D performance on an Amiga... :confused:

26 years and since, I have never bought one Amiga just because of it's "3D performance"... I bought it because I saw what it was capable of back then and it had nothing to do whatsover with "3D performance" and that never will come into the equation for me...

It must be a modern generation thing where folk can only justify to themselves that a computer is good because of it's "3D Performance", if that's the case why not just stick with an XBOX or PS3 or whatever and leave the Amiga to folk who find them creative and useful and not just another box to play Doom ruddy clone on...

Gawd... sometimes I really feel sorry for todays generation of "computer users" if all that's important to them is how fast it can draw a frame in a ruddy "3D game"... :cry:

[Franko]

So... Will my NTSC SuperGen work?

Erm... It should do in NTSC mode... but that's providing of course that you can hook it from it's 23 pin socket to the NatAmi's Amiga Video output in some way of course...

[Franko]

That's not enough. The NatAmi would also have to either run off of or synchronize itself to the 28Mhz clock and the H and V Sync signals provided by the genlock, and the NatAmi would also have to provide the pixel switch signal to the genlock.

And I'm guessing it can do none of those things.

You could be right...

Haven't seen enough about the actual RGB video output specs on the NatAmi to say for certain one way or the other...

For me personally it would be no great loss but obviously for folk like XDelusion then things like this will play a part in their decision on whether to buy or not, guess only one of the developers could answer such questions...