Distribution Licence For Workbench...

[Franko]

Well... true to his word Fats has just reported it too... :lol:

[Franko]

Apologies Frank, can't say I like MediaFire (as it took me about 2 dozen attempts to get the install disk to download), but it has worked.
OK everybody. Whether you believe it or not, Franko has made them available AND they have been downloaded.
Report away everybody.

Yeah I wish I hadn't picked mediafire it's a bit slow and flakey at times but I don't fancy uploading nearly 10,000 files again to another site...

Think I'll report meself now just for the hell of it...

[Franko]

PS:Anybody got the original 1.3 disks, I've dug mine out but even after cleaning them they are full of errors and I can't make them into ADFs...

(been in a box for over 15 years, methinks their knackered...)

[Franko]

I really don't understand what koaftder & Fats hope to achieve. Maybe they think that if they stop people from copying Amiga software then the clock will turn back 20 years or so ?
Perhaps all those software houses that abandoned the Amiga in 1994 will change their minds & start supporting it again ? ROFLMAO ;-)

They're really just sad gits who for whatever reasons seem to think they can impose their delusional and high and mighty morals on the rest of us, to be honest I almost feel sorry for them... Nah... no I don't, I hope they fall head first into the bucket of keech they constantly spew and suffocate on their own jobbies... pair of weirdos...

[Franko]

I reported it because AO isn't a warez trading post, never was and never should be.

Odd that... there is nothing being traded here so you should be happy...

[Franko]

It's about being consistent.

Do you think I could have any legitimate right to complain about people pirating my music or my apps if I could happily watch other people's IP being abused?

Personally I think there probably should be a special place in copyright law to cover software for machines that haven't been manufactured for 20 years... But that isn't the law. Someone owns the IP (crooks who should be behind bars), and they have rights.

And how are you ever going to change the law to something like you describe if no-one takes a stance against the current laws and at least makes an attempt to highlight how absurd they are and hopefully bring about changes in them...

Were not talking here about you're stuff that you write and try to earn a few bob from, I would defend your stuff against either piracy or copyright theft, were talking like you say about stuff that's over 20 years old and it would seem no even the copyright owners give a toss about...

[Franko]

You must be proud of yourself pissing and shitting all over a rule others have abided by for a decade.

Aint "pissing and shitting" over no ones rules...

And yes I am damn well proud of myself for highlighting this heads in the sand BS that folk like you live by...

Grow up and find something worthwhile to do with yourself, the Womans Institute has more balls than you have...

[Franko]

Well I've done me bit for today, so now I'm off to have me dinner, put me feet up and do some serious stuff like count me teaspoon collection while I await MI5, MI6, the FBI , CIA or the ghost of Mother Teresa of Calcutta to kick in me door and punish me for being such a wicked nasty person...

Peace & Love everybods...

[Franko]

@ Desiv
:roflmao:

That little item you found doesn't surprise me in the slightest, I know for a fact (as I have been reliably informed by the highest authorities here) about all the little campaigns to try and get be barred from this site for life...

The usual nasty wee posts here in this thread are nothing to do with the Workbench disks and what I am trying to achieve, it's all to with the simple fact that I came along and I speak my mind on things and quite often tell people exactly what I think about what they have to say and they just don't like that nor can handle it...

It's one of the main reasons why I enjoy taking the mickey out of such folk here, if they want to behave like wee kiddies, be hypocrites and gibber absolute mince about things then I'm more than happy to rip the piss out of them until they stop taking themselves so seriously and realise this is simply a computer forum and not life and death...

Sometimes in life you come across such folk and you either choose to ignore them or like I do show them up for the fools that they are. Unfortunately for some odd reason Amigaland has more than it's fair share of them and I have to be on my toes to keep up with them all...

Still it makes for some interesting and often amusing threads here it's just a shame that some of them have to be nasty and personal at times about it and you have to resort to their level and fight like with like...

Still as long as you don't take any of it seriously then it's nothing more than good old entertainment...

[Franko]

I like that the site TOS says you can't post warez because I don't want to see the site turn into some shit hole ADF request lamer zone.

So why are people allowed to post links to "Warez" on Aminet, why are people allowed to post links to demos to download, why are people allowed to post links to software that is free to download or written by themselves whether it be for the Amiga or some other computer system altogether !!!

So because you don't like something then no-one should be able to ask other folks here "where can I find such and such"...

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean the rest of us have to follow your line of thought and dislike things cos you don't want them...

If that's your argument then find a site you do like or simply ignore things you don't like and let others do things they like or want to ask, instead of trying to impose your way of life on everyone else, you really take the biscuit so you do... :rolleyes:

One final point the TOS does not say "you can't post warez because I don't want to see the site turn into some shit hole ADF request lamer zone." that's you who said that not the site... talk about making things up... gawd... :rolleyes:

[Franko]

I personally own some of the physical RKM books but if I remember some of that documentation was later published in HTML and put out on the web. Maybe I'm wrong? Who cares? It's not the same situation.



That's exactly what he's doing. This isn't for challenging shit, it's pure trolling bullshit. It's the kind of bull shit that would get you instantly smacked in a heart beat the whole time Wayne ran the site and Franko knows this. For a guy who's "new to the internet", he just happens to know all of the right buttons to push to start a flame war in amiga land doesn't he?

Once again it fine for you to do something illegal and tell us no-one should care you hypocritical dunderheid...

I know frig all about Wayne and how he ran the site has sod all to do with me, being new to the internet, what's that got to do with anything !!!

Use all the silly little made up internet words you want "trolling", "flame wars" they mean sod all to me, what you get here is how I would speak to you in person, only I'm being a lot more polite here than I would be in real life...

So keep on making up stories in your own warped mind if you want to, maybe one day you'll finally realise you're living in cloud cuckoo land and finally snap out of it, but I wont be holding my breath until you do so...

[Franko]

I have NEVER offered or posted any copyrighted material on this forum. If some folks on the site think it would be awesome to post stuff that has always been against the rules since the inception of the site, then why don't you ask the site owner to change the rule so it will be all official and there will be no need to argue about it.

Can't say whether you have or haven't as I've not checked, but I can say you have advised other folk to do "Illegal" things so why with all the hypocrisy, I really don't understand you...

[Franko]

So I think we're finally reaching an unusual consensus, maybe the issue isn't clear cut and Franko does have a purpose in pushing this matter.

This is not a simple issue of piracy.

I'll try and make it as plain and simple for all to understand what my aim is for all of this...

I simply believe that when it comes to the Workbench Disk Sets from 1.3 to 3.1 that they should either be made available to download or buy in physical format by whomever still legally owns them whether they give them away for free or charge a fee for them.

As I believe their are still plenty of us out there who would appreciate being able to do so.

Now if whomever still legally owns them doesn't want to as It would not be a viable business idea then why not let someone like myself do so. I would be happy to pay for a licence or distribution rights out of my own pocket but I would never try to sell or make money from them as I don't need to.

I just want for folk to be able to obtain these without all this nonsense of not being able to mention it on forums and if we all keep quite about it and pretend we don't know where to get them then all is right with the world, that's just childish nonsense.

Why would I want to do this, simple as your probably fed up of hearing by now the Amiga is the only computer I use, like and enjoy and for those who still use them also I just want to have this stuff freely available for all who need them.

I have no hidden agenda, I'm just a lifelong Amiga fan who wants to keep this old machine going as long as possible and in the process help others to do so as well in whatever small way I can...

[Franko]

Franko,

I am politely requesting that you remove all references, mentions and links to both your sites in all of your messages here and in all other threads to which you have posted them.  Please also remove the link from your signature.  While we cannot control what you have on your own site, we do control what is here on this site.  Your posting of the links is a violation of our policies here.  Thank you!

I don't mind removing the link to AmigaUK.com but I have to ask why I need to remove the link to CommodoreScotland.com as it is not breaking TOS of the site.

Thank You

Frank Spiers

[Franko]

Micheal, bot to tell you your job, but if this is the conclusion you've come to then its your job to lock the thread, censor/edit the posts, and remove all references to Franko's sites.
And you're either going to have to ban me or edit my signature yourself, because I don't intend to remove references to Franko's site.

Iggy don't get yourself into any bother because of me. I'll gladly remove the link I posted earlier and you should do the same if asked...

But as for the link to CommodoreScotland.com being removed then I have PM'd SlvrDragn as there is nothing on CommodoreScotland.com that violates the TOS of this site...

If I am going to be forced to remove the CommodoreScotland.com link too then I shall be taking this up with Transition as I feel this is totally uncalled for...

[Franko]

Very well. I'm removing my that part of my signature AND replacing it with a reference to Commodorescotland, because this really has become an important issue.
AND, I'm calling it a night because we are now into full cenorship mode and I don't care to participate.
Thanks for the KS 3.1 files Franko. i admire the fact that you tried.

No problems mate and thanks for the support but this is not over by a long shot...

Hopefully when all this nonsense and pettiness is finally over we shall all be able to safely utter in public places without fear of being crucified the immortal words...

"Get Yer WorkBench Downloads Ere..."