Ok guys, I will be doing a report on Commodore USA this week

[Franko]

Ask him why he doesn't like me...

[Franko]

Everyone just calm the f*** down...Red's got this

You kidding... this is better than the telly...

(some of us lead a sad life you know... )

[Franko]

@ Redrumloa

Genuine question this, I would appreciate if you could ask Mr Altman...

My main (in fact only) real gripe is the naming of his products eg: C64x, Amiga 1000x & WorkBench, would it be possible for him to rename the products differently (as they aren't even on sale yet) so as to distinguish them from what most folks would call a C64 or Amiga and thus put an end once and for all for what I believe is total confusion and lets face it nonsense on both sides...

[Franko]

We have had the Commodore bv machines, the tulip c64 the c64 dtv, and various amiga entities, and noone interested in the tech has been confused.

I think Red should make this tour as low key, low agression as possible, asking the guy to rename his entire product line is a bit pushy, especially since he paid for the ability to name the products what he did.

Red, I think you are just about the perfect person to do this. I look forward to your report.

Well from the Fan Page on CUSAs own site plenty of folk seem confused...

I'm not in a position to either demand or push the owner for a name change I am merely ask him to consider it that's all...

[Franko]

Why in the world would he change the name ? I think you grossly underestimate the value of the name(s). There are thousands and thousands old users out there that loved their systems back in the day that have no clue that winuae, morphos, aros exc.. even exist. Hell I was one of them until a few years ago when I was stuck at my parents house for the holidays bored out of my mind and decided to dig my old amiga gear out of the attic. Once I started playing with it I was hooked again and found you guys and started catching up with what had been going on for the past 12+ years. This community is so broken and segmented that no one can how much potential the Commodore name still has. Outside of this community no one knows Sam, Pegasos, Minimig, Natami, Morphos, Aros exc... but you can bet you ass they know Commodore and Amiga !!!

You think wrong then...

Until June of last year I have since 1982 only ever used Commodore computers on a daily basis (and still do), so to me the names/brands/trademarks really mean something to me, so where you get the idea from that I "grossly underestimate" the value of these brands, gawd only knows...

[Franko]

Well it's 2:34am here and I'm off to have my dinner then go to bed, so if you think I think something I'll answer it later...

I'd be happy to give them a chance if only they would answer the questions folk are asking them...

Need some grub & time to catch up on some WWE (well someones gotta watch it...

Now there's a thought "WWE" Word Wrestling Entertainment, formerly WWF (World Wrestling Federation) the fight over that brand (WWF) raged for over 25 years between "World Wresting Federation" & "World Wildlife Fund", World Wildlife Fund won in the end, wonder how long this saga will continue...

[Franko]

The only confusion may be with the original A1000, so as you know we use x as a suffix across our whole replica and Amiga line to differentiate from the originals. The labelling on the machines probably wont even feature the x. You know that Hyperion's product has a One behind the word Amiga, you know it has an X in front of the 1000. All other confusions are unavoidable. I'm afraid you're going to have to get over it.

Well if this is CUSAs official standpoint on the use of the brand names/trademarks (ie: C64, Amiga, Workbench)...

Then I've officially just donned me tin helmet, flak jacket and armed meself to the teeth with exploding squirrels.... :madashell:

Get Ready Boy's IT's WAR... :uzi::quickdraw::destroy:

(Now where'd I leave me tickling stick...

[Franko]

You have to understand that our primary concern is time to market, particularly for the C64, so initially not many. We wanted to provide Ubuntu initially, so a branded solution is really an addendum to our plans. We never promised an entirely new OS, and we will never be able to meet the extraordinarily high expectations that many in this classic community have. We will have to see how the OS side if things develops further.

With you obviously being chief mouthpiece for CUSA could you at least get you story straight before you type some of this drivel, as quoted above you say "We never promised an entirely new OS, and we will never be able to meet the extraordinarily high expectations that many in this classic community have." yet on the official CUSA website your company claims in regard to Workbench 5

Feeling nostalgic? Workbench 5.0 will also be 100% Commodore compatible, able to run classic 8-bit, 16-bit and 32-bit era software via emulation. A beautiful user interface allows you to easily peruse games for the Commodore PET, Vic20, C16, C64, C128 and AMIGA. No need to bother with floppy disks, as practically every game you ever owned is now readily available on the internet.

Now in my books these so called "extraordinarily high expectations" that you claim you can't meet would be that Workbench 5 IS 100% Commodore compatible as the website clearly claims, but here you are saying that this in an extraordinarily high expection... :confused:

Confused... yup I sure am... IS Workebench 5.0 100% Commodore compatible as this claim clearly leads one to believe that Workbench 5 will be able to run every single piece of software ever written for the Amiga (including stuff that "bangs the metal" as they say).

So which one is it, Workebench 5 is 100% Commodore compatible or "extraordinarily high expectations", if I wasn't confused before I sure as hell am now... :insane:

Or does the term "100% Commodore compatible" really mean Commodore as in CommodoreUSA and not Commodore as in the original and genuine Commodore Business Machines... :confused:

Not very good at being a public spokesman for this company are you...

[Franko]

end of story.

You kidding... this is just the preface to a whole new story in Life & Times Of The Amiga...

[Franko]

If "Workbench 5" is based on linux doesn't that mean that any changes Commode USA make to it will have to be open source due to the GPL or am I imagining things again?

O.T: Good to see you back Franko, am aye chuffed tae see some scoattish banter on the internet noo that am awah doon sooth, yi ken f'like.

Bunders

Hmm... wur rat accent o yours ye must be frae ra east cost ah reckon, Aberdonian maybes ur Dundee ah hink, if ye ur frae Dundee yur no an Arab ur ye...

(PS: If yur livin doon sooth noo gie ra buggers hell an teach rum how tae gibber propurly...

[Franko]

Are you two related somehow? :confused:

I think he's the other me, cos I've only been here by myself all day, I reckon I must have managed to escape while I wasn't looking and sneaked over the border to the land of the engles and opened a new account here...

Just wait till I get hold of myself, I'll sure have some words to say to me...

[Franko]

One thing I would really like to know about Mr Altman, I know it's personal and he may choose not to answer it but the question is this...

Was, is or has he ever been a user of the original CBM products (ie:VIC 20, C64 or Amiga) or is his business venture just based upon the brand names and what he hopes to achieve by building his new business on them...

I only ask because on his site I see no mention of him ever being a Commodore user of any sort, only stuff about "reviving and re-establishing the famous Commodore computer brand."...

[Franko]

He told me he was an active C= user and says he has a photo of himself using a C64 in the early 80's.

Ahh well at least he had some taste at one point...

(PS:would like to see the photo though, I'm a teensy weensy wee bit of a sceptical bugger at times...

[Franko]

I was told I can get a scan:hammer:

I had my regular scan last Friday... my last brain cells still there...

On a more serious note, this I gotta see...

[Franko]

@ Redrumloa

Can't wait... but how do we know your not "one of them" now...

Just gave my keyboard a good clean and used some WD40 in anticipation of a mad posting frenzy...

(PS:keep hold of the copyrights on your photos, apart from certain folk erm... "borrowing"" them they could be valuable evidence once day...