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Offline Franko

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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't hate AGA?
« on: December 26, 2010, 09:52:42 AM »
I love AGA, that's why I only have A1200s left in my collection these days, never understood why anyone who went from an A500 to an A1200 wasn't impressed at the time with AGA to me the difference was amazing... :)
 

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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't hate AGA?
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2010, 10:06:39 AM »
Quote from: Xanxi;601838
AGA is very fine to me.
Fast Workbench in 256 colors with the good patches, good JPEG pictures rendering in HAM6 with Visage, perfect VGA rendering in shapeshifter emulation with MUVED external driver.
All that from a 1993 chipset!
ECS is useless slow crap compared to AGA.
Would be cool though to have more than 2MB of chip RAM.


Agreed 100%... :)

FBlit kinda gives you back your chip mem, but It would be great to have more than 2MB of real chip RAM... :)
 

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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't hate AGA?
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2010, 11:17:35 AM »
I run Fblit very early on in the Startup-Sequence and it and the other patches I use leave me roughly 1,891,712 bytes free of chip mem when run on a 128 colour WB screen... :)

You can save a lot more if you reduce the number of colours on your WorkBench screen... :)
 

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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't hate AGA?
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2010, 11:25:41 AM »
@ yssing

Here's an example of my main miggies Startup-Sequence, placing the patches in the right order and running them at the right time makes a difference as to how well they work... :)


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; $VER: Startup-Sequence_060+Blizkick 1.0 (31.08.06)
; Startup-Sequence for hard drive systems

C:+C/VInfo         ;My Virus Checker Prog
C:+C/SetPattern         ;Select Backdrop Picture (F1-F10)
;-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
; Remove OS 4.0 Partitions
;-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
C:Assign <>NIL: OS0: Dismount
C:Assign <>NIL: OS1: Dismount
C:Assign <>NIL: OS2: Dismount
C:Assign <>NIL: OS3: Dismount
C:Assign <>NIL: OS4: Dismount
;-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
; Create Vital OS Dirs
;-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
C:MakeDir RAM:T RAM:Clipboards RAM:ENV RAM:ENV/Sys
C:Copy >NIL: ENVARC: RAM:ENV ALL NOREQ

Resident >NIL: C:Assign PURE
Resident >NIL: C:Execute PURE
;-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
; Create Nessesary Assigns
;-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Assign >NIL: ENV: RAM:ENV

Assign >NIL: T: RAM:T
Assign >NIL: CLIPS: RAM:Clipboards

Assign >NIL: REXX: S:
Assign >NIL: PRINTERS: DEVS:Printers
Assign >NIL: KEYMAPS: DEVS:Keymaps
Assign >NIL: LOCALE: SYS:Locale
Assign >NIL: LIBS: SYS:Classes ADD
Assign >NIL: HELP: LOCALE:Help DEFER
Assign >NIL: Prefs: SYS:Prefs

Assign >NIL: C: SYS:C/+C ADD
Assign >NIL: Devs: SYS:Devs/+Devs ADD
Assign >NIL: L: SYS:L/+L ADD
Assign >NIL: Libs: SYS:Libs/+Libs ADD
Assign >NIL: Prefs: SYS:Prefs/+Prefs ADD

Path >NIL: RAM: C: SYS:Utilities SYS:Rexxc SYS:System S: SYS:Prefs SYS:WBStartup SYS:Tools SYS:Tools/Commodities add

Path >NIL: C:+C Devs:+Devs L:+L Libs:+Libs Prefs:+Prefs SYS:System/+System SYS:Tools/+Tools SYS:Utilities/+Utilities add
;-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
; StartUp Any System Patches
;-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
C:SetPatch <>NIL: SKIPROMUPDATES QUIET ;Standard Amiga Patch
C:+C/PatchControl.V2.3 ;PatchControl (Controls Any Added Patches)
C:+C/CMQ060_Move16
C:+C/BlazeWCP           ;Patches Certain Blitter Routine
C:+C/FBlit           ;FastBlit Patch (Speeds Up Blitter Routines)
C:+C/FText           ;Patch For Faster Text Output
C:+C/MCP           ;MCP (Multiple Patches)
RUN <>NIL: C:+C/TitleShadow     ;Patch (Creates Window Title Shadows)
;-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
; BLIZZARD 060/PPC RemMap Rom Stuff
;-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
S:Bliz.PPC           ;BlizKick Remap ROM 060/PPC
;-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
; Fast ATA3 Stuff
;-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
FailAt 10

C:+C/CheckLMB           ;Check For Left Mouse Button

IF WARN               ;If Pressed - Run ATA3 Prefs
  SYS:Prefs/+Prefs/ATA3.prefs
ENDIF

C:ATA3.driver NOPART QUIET   ;Start ATA3 Driver
C:Stack 8192
C:ATA3SetSplit           ;Make Primary Slave NOSPLIT
;-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
; Protect From Writing To These Partitions
;-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
C:Lock <>NIL: Workbench: ON
C:Lock <>NIL: Store: ON
;C:Lock <>NIL: DH2: ON
;-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
; Usual Startup Stuff
;-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
C:Version >NIL:
C:AddBuffers >NIL: DF0: 15
FailAt 21

BindDrivers
C:Mount >NIL: DEVS:DOSDrivers/~(#?.info)

IF EXISTS DEVS:Monitors
  IF EXISTS DEVS:Monitors/VGAOnly
    DEVS:Monitors/VGAOnly
  EndIF

  C:List >NIL: DEVS:Monitors/~(#?.info|VGAOnly) TO T:M LFORMAT &quot;DEVS:Monitors/%s&quot;
  Execute T:M
  C:Delete >NIL: T:M
EndIF

SetEnv Language &quot;english&quot;
SetEnv Workbench $Workbench
SetEnv Kickstart $Kickstart
UnSet Workbench
UnSet Kickstart

C:AddDataTypes REFRESH QUIET
C:ConClip

C:+C/FPprefs            ;FullPalette (Sets Up & Locks WB Colours)

IF EXISTS S:User-Startup
    Execute S:User-Startup
EndIF

C:IPrefs

Run >NIL: C:+C/Birdie ? <ENV:Birdie.Prefs ;Birdie (Window Borders Patch)

Resident Execute REMOVE
Resident Assign REMOVE

C:LoadWB -DEBUG

Avail <>NIL: FLUSH

EndCLI >NIL:

LAB END
Echo &quot;You Wanted to Stop Here&quot;
 

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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't hate AGA?
« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2010, 12:15:44 PM »
You know something I don't like all that eye candy either and now for the life of me I can't think why I run Workbench in 128 colours !!!

There is a reason but I just can't remember right now... this is my typical everyday Workbench... :)

« Last Edit: December 26, 2010, 01:10:57 PM by Franko »
 

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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't hate AGA?
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2010, 12:22:24 PM »
I done them myself in DPaint... :)
 

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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't hate AGA?
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2010, 12:34:33 PM »
@ TiredOLife

If you want them I'll make a link on my CommodoreScotland site so you can download them, only thing is if I recall correctly there OS3.5 glow Icons but I could make the original IFF drawing available as well for you to edit into your own icons... :)
 

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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't hate AGA?
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2010, 01:52:14 PM »
Quote from: TiredOLife;601900
@Franko

That would be great, thanks.


Ok... gimme a few minutes and I'll upload them and be back with a link... :)
 

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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't hate AGA?
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2010, 02:12:11 PM »
Quote from: TiredOLife;601900
@Franko

That would be great, thanks.


Here's the link, sorry it took so long but the nets pretty slow just now at my end... :)

Some WB Icons
 

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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't hate AGA?
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2010, 10:25:23 PM »
Quote from: runequester;601996
It always amazes me when people look at a 1200 with an 030 running Doom, and blame AGA for it being pokey, when the same game running on a PC needed a 486 to actually move at a decent clip.
 
Same deal for stuff like Wing Commander really. People ran it on their 486 with tons of RAM, and then complained that the amiga 500 ran it slow.
Really ?


Reckon some folk just like to try and put the Amiga down by unfairly comparing it to a PC with higher specs... pointless really... :)
 

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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't hate AGA?
« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2010, 12:05:30 AM »
Quote from: Digiman;602043
@ others - As for comparing an A500 with a 486 PC nope, I was comparing something like F1GP on an A4000/030 and a 486 PC costing the same price, I think if you actually try this too you will see with your own eyes the PC playing speed runs rings around the Amiga version FOR THE SAME PRICE ;)


Still don't get your point in trying to compare the Amiga to a PC, even with the above example you give what's the point, the Amiga is what is/was if you thought PCs were so much better then why did you buy an Amiga in the first place ?

You said it yourself if you'd not been such a skinflint and bought an Amiga accelerator you could have sold it to a numptie like me on ebay today for one hell of a good price... ;)

I've posted my views on Medhi Ali & Commodore plenty of time here so suffice to say if I ever find the little turd I'll be up on a murder rap... :)

Quite simply I just don't see what the point is in comparing a machine that was based on custom built hardware to something that was cobbled together from off the shelf parts (whether it ran faster or not).

No one forced you to buy a PC cos you needed Windows to complete your studies, I went to college too and I told them if you want anything from me then you get it done on an Amiga and I did it my way... :)

I've never needed to use a PC in my life for business or pleasure (ran my own D.T.P. business on two A500s) and when I grow tired of the net these macs go back on ebay and I go back to my own wee world where the Amiga rules supreme... :)

Guess what I'm trying to say here is, if more folk had been like me and not followed the world of PCs and Macs just because your boss or studies insisted upon it then the Amiga might have still been manufactured today even if it wasn't through Commodore... :)
 

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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't hate AGA?
« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2010, 12:56:49 AM »
Quote from: stefcep2;602062
If  more people did buy an A1200, the software houses might have been convinced not to write their software to run on 512k A500.  In reality the infamous stinginess of the average  Amiga user who thought an A500 with 512 meg ram should run the latest release software for 12 years was to blame for AGA's market failure as Commodore's management was.


I agree with you 100% on that, out of a group of 16 of us only 7 ever bought the A1200s, 2 or 3 of the remaining A500 owners actually bought HD & or extra ram for them, of the 7 of us who bought the A1200s only 3 of us bothered to upgrade them... :(

I know some folk will say they couldn't afford too & that's fine, but of the folk I knew only one could genuinely claim that, the others were just too miserable to part with their cash and still moaned even though they'd spend their money on CD players and the like that they hardly ever used in comparison to their miggies... :(

If truth be told I'd say the some of the Amiga Community are some of the stingiest gits I've ever known... :)
 

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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't hate AGA?
« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2010, 04:23:48 AM »
Quote from: Digiman;602102
How many times did you buy an arcade conversion and then want your money back instantly? Exactly!


Erm... Never... :)

You need anger management methinks... either that or you just nuts... :)
 
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Remember ALL games still had to fit on crappy 880kb disks thanks to Commodore not spending a few quid more on a HD drive for A1200 not just A4000!


No silly boy... the option was there for the buyer to choose between an A1200 with or without an HD, it was only greetin faced numpties like you who were obviously too miserable to pay for the HD for your new super duper gaming machine that made that choice... :rolleyes:

You don't seem to have been a happy chappy with any of your Amigas so again I ask why on earth did you buy one...

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Software companies treated us like dirt and so we pirated their weak feeble efforts as befits the low quality of their programming.


again more proof that you totally bammy... why the frig would you want to pirate crap software... you make less sense than me on one of me good days... :)

Do as I'm just doing have a quick ciggie then a pee and go off to bed, you'll feel much better in the morning... night, night... :)
 

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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't hate AGA?
« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2010, 02:04:25 AM »
@ Iggy

Read the Post... I don't like silly eye candy... :)

To seen a hideous desktop like the one you posted I just switch on a MAC and say boak... :)

Ambient -truecolour !!! more like awe gawd my miggie now looks like any other crappy PC or MAC might as well gouge me eyes out... :)
 

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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't hate AGA?
« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2010, 03:05:59 AM »
@ Iggy

OK so you love eye candy, you have my sympathies...;)

Dunno what you mean by "As NG hardware becomes more powerful and our emulation of your hardware" !!!

Do you actually make the hardware & write the emulators ???

I don't need an excuse, I wouldn't run an Amiga emulator if it were the last option left to me, simple as... :)

AGA may be crappy to to and your entitled to your opinion, just as I am entitled to my opinion that you don't have gibber some keech...;)

And as your not using an Amiga, your opinion doesn't count with me... :)