Will you be buying an AmigaOne X1000 ?

[Franko]

Have to wait and see just what it can do first, if it ever appears...
(maybe..)

[Franko]

When you have been using the Amiga right from the start just like I & many here have, you do have the tendency too look back and say what if & if only.

However that in no way means that I don't support anyone who tries to bring us new Amiga related products. You have to take each thing as it comes and judge it on it's own merits.

I've looked at all the products that have been released since the true Amiga died, I can only say none of them were for me. I'm just hoping that the X1000 will prove to be the one I'm after.

I don't understand why some folk keep going on about things being too expensive, if it's your main hobby and you what your doing brings you enjoyment, then surely the cost doesn't matter...

There is no point in saying Yes or No right now to the X1000 as it's best to wait and see just what it can actually do, if it ever does get released. That's why I said maybe earlier.  

[Franko]

Gawd... It amazes me why some of the folk who post on this site are even here at all...

It's called Amiga.org, the name should give you a clue !!!

It's not called Mac.org, PC.org or AnythingButAmiga.org...

If you want to talk about such things then go to an appropriate site where you can happily express your biased views.

This site should be about the Amiga, not those pretend Amiga users who only run an emulator, who want to harp on about macs & pc's and like nothing more than trying to put down 80s & 90s hardware, cos it doesn't match their expectations of what todays hardware is capable of...

Get A life... :rolleyes:

[Franko]

amiga.org is free for all, and I think you should really consult the "Site Information and Policies" link at the bottom of the page if you still don't get it. These forums are meant for discussion. If you don't like it, you can always leave and find some other forums that will ban free speech.

If you don't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

The original question asked by orb85750 was :-
'Will you be buying an AmigaOne X1000 ?'

orb85750:
I respect what they're doing with this machine, but I won't be buying one because I don't have that type of discretionary income. Who seriously plans to buy one soon after it's available? Anyone here?

It was not entitled what are Piru's biased views on everything else but this question...

Just expressing my own biased views on this 'free for all' and as yet 'free speech' site...

and to answer the question once again... maybe...

[Franko]

You're forgetting something: You can't just hack something like this up from our garage anymore. It takes capital, lots of it. Back in the day it was possible to (literally!) start your business from a garage... I argue that this isn't possible anymore.

100% wrong, I know of 3 folk personally, whom in the past 2 and a half years have started up their own business from a garage/home and who are continuing to go from strength to strength today.

It's all down to providing a service or product that enough people want. I have to admit that I was wrong with one of these people when she first told me her idea, I said that not enough folk would want that to make it viable. Well she proved me wrong and in less than 2 years she now employs 2 other people and is making a quite comfortable living from it.

Don't understand why you would believe Piru that such a feat is not possible in this day and age... :confused:

[Franko]

Uh. I obviously was talking in relation to computer HW business, specifically creating totally new platform. Say what Apple and other companies did in the silicon valley.

But sure, I'll edit the post to avoid any further confusion. Apparently it was somehow possible to misinterpret it.

Point taken, but I would still say that such a feat could be possible today if the person has a good enough product and the willpower and capital to make a go of it.

[Franko]

@Franko

But three people in a garage are not going to create the next Amiga, a world beating quantum leap in technology.  Those days are gone.  The cost of developing a new hardware system that truly advanced the state of the art would be beyond what anyone could afford.  The '80s were a different time, they won't come again, at least not in computers.

I still reckon anything is possible, if the idea is good enough and you have the willpower to see it through.

I may be getting on a bit, but all this defeatist talk and total disbelief in just what someone can achieve, only goes to show the almost total lack of self belief and defeatist attitude in folk today.

It's almost as if folk have resigned themselves to the belief that the little man can't do anything anymore without the backing of the multi nationals. It's a sad sorry world we live in if thats the attitude folk have today...

[Franko]

Welcome to reality in 2010.  The idea that the little guy that go 1 on 1 with a corp spending literally billions of dollars @ year on R&D is fantasy.  Even C= didn't bother to bake up their own CPU, they used what was best for them and moved on to something they had to create.  The world has changed since the 1980s, hardware is a fast changing commodity and the consumer has won out on buck:bang ratio.  Whatever you dreamed of as a mega computer to own back in the 80s and 90s can probably come to reality in mobile phone that they sell down at the mall.  If it's still not up to par, wait till this time next year, and it will be.

Reality for you maybe, but I unlike the majority have no need for a mobile phone or an all singing all dancing super duper PC or Mac. I did ask folk for advice in a recent thread for advice on buying my first ever PC and thank you to all who responded with lots of helpful and useful advice.

However having spent a couple of days this week trailing around the shops I can now safely say that the 2 grand I was willing to spend shall be staying in my pocket. The simple reason being nothing I saw impressed me in the slightest. I thought that their may have been something out there that would have at least given me something of the same feeling that I had when I purchased my very first A1000 or C64, but no, all I was left with was the feeling that all they wanted to do was sell me a piece of kit that was for nothing more than browsing the internet.

Oh and they try to convince you that you need to take out an extended warranty for a few hundred quid, if these machines are so unreliable that you need to be covered by said warranty in the first 3 years then they must be absolute crap to start with.

Me, I'm now even more happy in the knowledge that as long as I can keep my original Amiga hardware going, as it does all the computing requirements that I have and will ever need from a computer then I am more than satisfied. I have managed quite happily since my very first Vic20 to live without the need for speed, the internet and all the other pointless things (in my honest opinion) that todays typical home computing user seems to think are necessary.

I grant you that to most folk my opinions and views may be stuck in the past, but I have never been one to purchase something just to be trendy or because it's cool to own one. When my years broadband subscription runs out and if I haven't got one of my miggys online by then then I shall happily go back to living without the net.

Heck, I won't even by a flatscreen TV as they still haven't solved the problem of motion blur yet, what's the point in having a TV that looks good in the corner of you living room when the picture quality is naff, and before you say it not even the latest 600Hz TVs are without motion blur. Just another thing I pointed out when viewing the latest TVs along with PCs to the sales people in the shops. Yes they thought I was quite mad, but that's because to them it's not about the quality of the thing, it's all about how it looks and how it's cool to own one and how can you live without such things, my response to them was... Quite happily thank you...

[Franko]

@tone007

Got banned from that site for pointing out that god doesn't exist and showing the members that what they said on that site was not private and could easily be googled...

Strange topics I know for an adult dating/chat site, but then the net is a very strange place full of some very strange peeps...

[Franko]

@Ajlwalker

I still remember the thread Dennis van Weeren announced his minimig in.  Full of disbelievers and downright rude individuals and neg-heads.

If you're interested franko the link is here: http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=19361

Thanks for pointing that thread out to me, most interesting that certain folk who were posting positive views back then, are now contradicting themselves here & now by saying it can't be done anymore as this is no longer the 80s, it's the old glass half empty mentality rearing it's ugly head once again.

@Methuselas

I'm sorry, but the "2 grand" you would have spent on a machine now, is *VASTLY* superior to "what you had when you purchased your very first A1000 or C64".

This is the *ENTIRE* problem with the Amiga Scene now. You're trapped in this fantasy world that someone, some tiny, obscure company consisting of less than a dozen employees is going to create the "new" Amiga that will take over the world, when IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN! Eventually all our miggies won't be able to cut it when it comes to "computing". Facts of live. The Amiga is getting left behind in the dust and people, like yourself, like Hyperion, who insist that going against the "modern computing" direction is the right one, are the reason Amiga users are ridiculed and considered "fanatics".

Dunno what your havering about, I never mentioned anything about looking for a vastly superior machine. I have already said elsewhere on this forum that I don't expect anyone ever to release a new Amiga that would rival the power of todays modern systems. As for your incredibly stupid comment that 'all our miggies wont be able to cut it when it comes to computing', what a load of utter gobshite you speak.

I have said before and I'll say it again for someone like you who obviously can't understand simple english, I am more than happy to use the Amiga for ALL my computing needs and will continue to do so, for as long as I have the money to keep them going and am able to buy parts/replacements to do me the rest of my lifetime, understand now, numpty... :rolleyes:

PS: Apart from the spelling mistake in your 'Facts of live' ! bit, if you believe that what you say is a 'Fact of life', then you a total dunderheid as well... :biglaugh:

@dammy

Two grand, for a desktop? Most I have ever spent was $768 and that was for a dual core (nVidia gfx) laptop. Unless your VAT is ungodly high, there isn't much of a reason to spend much more then $600 for a machine that should be impressive in performance.

Not being that much interested in PCs or Macs (even more so now), I didn't have any idea what it would cost to buy a decent set up. I would have been quite happy to spend 2 grand or more on such a set up as money doesn't mean that much to me, but unfortunately nothing I saw or was shown impressed me enough to part with the cash. I've came to the conclusion that I'm happier to spend the money on keeping my Amiga's going.

[Franko]

Huh - what?

Normally that thread is used for the exact opposite argument, good to see that your view is more accurate, allthough your conclusion is rather whack - note that the people who were positive back then _were right_, and the same people are now also most likely _right_. Why? Perhaps because they're not clueless gullible lunatics? :lol:

It's all a matter of opinion, and I've spotted quite a few lunatics on this site...

[Franko]

I use Maya, ZBrush, Flash, Illustrator, Photoshop, Painter and After Effects, just to name a few, on an almost daily basis. Name *ONE* Amiga, even the Next Gen's, that can do that. Gobshite......... I wasn't aware that Gobshite = Delusional.

Why on earth would I care to even attempt to name one Amiga that can run those programs, I know now that your not the sharpest knife in the drawer but why you want me to answer such a silly question beggars belief. I also wasn't aware that gobshite = delusional, so why your even attempting to compare the two, is just a waste of your two brain cells rubbing together.

By all means, use your Amiga for "ALL my (your) computing needs", but not all of us are able to do that. That's not our fault. We didn't make Commodore or the like go bankrupt.

So someone is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to use a computer, and it's all Commodores fault !, Gawd, give me strength...

I'm going to quote you verbatim, in toto here:

"However having spent a couple of days this week trailing around the shops I can now safely say that the 2 grand I was willing to spend shall be staying in my pocket. The simple reason being nothing I saw impressed me in the slightest."

Yes, you weren't impressed, 'cos there's nothing out there that's more impressive than 4096 colors, 4-channel stereo, 32 instruments, 8 sprites, a blitter and a male and female voice. :roll: An IPHONE has more "computing capability" than a decked out A4000, with a PPC card, BVision, etc *AND* it's smaller, not to mention cheaper.

Wow I see the light now, I'll just nip out and buy an IPHONE, hook it up to a monitor add a keyboard some hard disks a Gfx card, USB ports, better CPU, floppy drive, CD/DVD writer, a joystick and a mouse and bobs your uncle I've got the perfect machine to beat an A4000...

What the f**k are you on, does the institution know you've escaped...

It's called a typo, Moron. I've been around here a *LONG* time and most of my friends on here, well, we don't care about typos and certainly don't use that as a "slam" against someone, trying to infer intellectual superiority. Wow..... I'm so hurt......you got me. Gee, I don't know what to do.

And since you're so up on "common grammatical errors", English, since it's a language, should be capitalized. Also, that should read "....if you believe that what you say is a "fact of life" (you use quotations here) then you're a total dunderheid as well..."

Wow, you've been around here a *LONG* time, well my Dad's bigger than your Dad... Nah, Nah, Nah, Nah, Nah. (just showing off my intellectual superiority again )

I can build a greater product with less than a grand, that would run circles around your *BEST* Amiga and it *STILL* runs all the same Amiga software you do, faster and more efficient, through emulation.

Who cares what you can build for less than a grand, I sure as hell don't. I'll put it as simply as I can for your simple little mind to understand once again, I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU CAN DO, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY USING MY AMIGA, now if you can't understand that then, go bile yer heid ya diddy ye...

Just to keep the thread on topic, the answer is still maybe...

[Franko]

@the_leander

You seem to have a thing about trolls, could it be that you've still got that pathetic little goatee beard that when you turn your head upside down reminds you of your little troll picture...

(don't remember me do you, fat boy... :biglaugh:)

[Franko]

Ok, point taken, I was just replying to comments made directly at myself. gonna pop some pills now and chill...

[Franko]

@franko

Dont take it seriously but... registered in july 2010 and more than 600 post, you need holidays.

Me take something seriously... never

Being new to the whole interweb-net-thingy, plus being retired & an insomniac, then I find this whole online stuff quite fascinating & interesting, It also helps pass the time of which I have plenty.

As for a holiday, the last one I had was in 82, when I went to the local pub only to find myself waking up on board a ferry somewhere in the Irish sea on my way to the Isle of Man. Got stuck there for a fortnight, but it was a good little holiday though...