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Re: It's been a long time
« on: May 01, 2017, 09:02:24 PM »
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No paranoia (you have to be afraid of something to be paranoid) or potshots (a comment needs to be unjustified to call it that).

Just a different point of view.

AND, from my point of view, compared to PPC NG, AROS IS crap.

AROS is crap?  Please enlighten me as to how so.

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AND ARM can't even offer me a decent PCIe equipped motherboard.

About $300 for a PCIe X4 slot (usually compact M2) OR about $800 for a board with a full sized slot (AND usually with all that development board quality fruitiness "baked" right in).

erm closer to $192 for an nvidia arm dev board which does include a mini pcie slot.

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I'll stick with my legacy hardware supplemented my NG.

That's fine stop bashing my personal choice since I can point out many places where MY CRAP choice demolishes your choice.

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I may be typing this on my i7 laptop (WITH Win10), BUT, I could just as easily do that on my iBook under MorphOS.

And YES, I COULD do that with AROS, IF Win10 or Ubuntu Mate wasn't a better solution.

Ubuntu mate is also a better choice than either AOS4 or MorphOS so what's your point?

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Also, I wasn't kidding about the video card, I'm looking forward to buying a cheap RX 560.  But that is going to cost more than the i5 system you are quoting.

As someone who has 6 RX 480's for mining.  I would say your price estimate for the 560 is high.  The RX 550 and the RX 460 are already a sub $100 cards(The RX 560 should be around the same price as the 460).

Ironically my AROS system which I also use for mining has $1200 worth of video cards.  Now for the full cost of this system.

6 RX 480 5, 4 gig and 1, 8 gig.  $1200
32 GB of Ram $300
FX 9570 $200
MSI AM3+ motherboard $150
Bluray recorder $80
1TB ssdd $200
Case $60
So total price is $2190  brand new and still cheaper than a complete X5000.

The multicore branch not only see's all the memory and cores it uses them.  
I'm pretty sure there's not one MorphOS or AOS4 machine that can compare to the performance.  So I will take my 64 Bit AROS and enjoy it.
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Re: It's been a long time
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2017, 09:52:16 PM »
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How long was that in beta again?


AROS will always be in beta but that doesn't change the fact that in many ways it's more advanced than the other NG OSes.

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Still too high, I can get a full sized X64 system with a full sized PCIe slot for less, and people are giving away PPC Macs.


Of course it's too high.   Personally I have no interest in ARM however for the price it's a neat little toy.

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Until you try to run 68K software, which because you OS is wrong endian means you have to emulate everything.

I'll take my winuae sandbox in abiv1 which may even eventually be able to sandbox AOS4 ;)

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And btw, when we move to X64, your going to look even worse, because our developers are better than yours.

Sure they are I mean they already have 64 bit suppo... oh wait no they don't.  Well at least they have Multicore showing li... Oh wait nope not there either.  Well they they at least have the newest version of webkit in their Odyssey ... Oh nope.   Well then they certainly had wpasupplicant ported firs... damn again I was wrong.  See this game goes both ways.  

Sure there are some immensely talented MorphOS developers I will never deny that.  However the my epenis is bigger than yours is a joke.

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For an OS with a monolithic kernel its not bad, certainly a better use of an X64 OR PPC cpu than our operating systems. But what's YOUR point, as it isn't Amigan.


Easy you brought it up so my comparison is fair. ;)

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Personally, I anticipate the RX 560 to be right at the $99 mark, as its certainly better than an RX 550 or 460.
And if I wanted an RX 480, they start at about $180 for the 4GB versions (often with a rebate).
But I don't game or doing anything like bitcoin mining (which just sounds like a waste of hardware and electricity for the meager returns), so an RX 560 will be fine.


I certainly do ok with mine. ;)

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Its a freakin' hobby, spend your money on whatever you want.
Just don't give me a hard time for my choices.

I feel the same way and frankly get sick of the BS.

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After all, I'm not one of those lunatics that thinks Amiga is going to make some kind of miraculous re-emergence. :rofl:
That train left the station near the turn of the century.


That train left the day Commodore went belly up.

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Eh, I kept a CD32 for gaming, and an A2000 for productivity apps.
I wouldn't mind an A1200 or A4000,  but they are getting too expensive.
AND all the legacy hardware IS aging.


I have a few A1200 and A4000's if you're ever in NY.   I can even show you the A4000 developer box I have.

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Unless I want to buy one of the German boards or wait for Jens to build new A1200s, fpga is the only way to get NEW legacy hardware (and it runs BETTER).

I do want a GBA1000 personally I think it would be a fun project.
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Re: It's been a long time
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2017, 11:05:22 AM »
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I never understood why Aros made itself so small and (worse) even offered "Research" for the "R" in AROS. AROS was amiga replacement OS and if it could no longer be used that way then simply AROS. From a marketing view that was a self goal, only technicians can have such idea... Beta? How it is defined here? Beta again makes AROS small again. You see how it was and is used against it. I do not understand why people voluntary use such phrases here...


The Research is historical.  AROS was never intended as a mainstream OS but was being developed by fans of the Amiga.
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Re: It's been a long time
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2017, 11:25:39 AM »
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but in the meantime the last one should have realized that such phrases are used against AROS to make it look bad


If a user isn't going to try AROS because it's "Always in BETA" or a research OS then there's a good chance they would never try it to begin with.   As for some people using the BETA term to try to discredit the achievements of the developers.   I guess that comes down to how petty that person is in the first place.

In the end who cares.

I can sum up this thread like this.

AmigaONE is the only NEW Amiga.  (MorphOS and AROS are fakes and should be disposed of)

MorphOS developers can walk on water!!!!

Well AROS is the cheapest!

AmigaOS4 is the pure descendant of the code! :angel:

Classic hardware is all dying!

FPGA isn't real!

Emulation is evil.

Just like every other thread in the last 17 years.
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Re: It's been a long time
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2017, 11:45:07 AM »
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Now that's funny :D


It's also the reason I barely post anymore.   Typically I will only post now and then about the development status of Final Writer.
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Re: It's been a long time
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2017, 01:41:55 PM »
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another example of wrong recollection, i wonder if on purpose..

odyssey same as aros owb was created based on owb engine, which was first used in os4 owb, by joerg s. then fab took that, maintained it, added mui gui, switched to webkit itself, which the previous engine was an abandoned fork of anyway and renamed it as odyssey. then he opened his sources for a bounty and aros together with os4 developers took over, and here it is today in a cross platform repository available for everyone:

https://github.com/deadwood-pl/OdysseyWebBrowser

certainly, fabs role is a major one, but altogether it is what you practically might call a cooperative effort.


You actually missed that when Stanislaw Szymczyk made the original AROS version of OWB he and fab cooperated.
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Re: It's been a long time
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2017, 02:05:02 PM »
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no, i didnt miss that. I mention aros owb right on the beginning. Im well aware of it, as im constantly messing with its sources trying to get it work for 68k again.


I know I read the ML ;P
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