Hyperion bankrupt?

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True.
 But there are a couple companies who have a vested interest in the survival of the powerpc version of AmigaOS 4.x that Hyperion could have  approached for help if they did not have the funds to settle a debt.

Or one of them is listed as a creditor.

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Hopefully it will be open sourced. Is this a possibility?

No it isn't possible.  Hyperion own a license to modify not ownership.

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but I'm going to wait for some hard facts posted in public by reliable parties.

Who would that be?  I would think the Belgian government would be pretty "official"

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It's too early for an April Fool's joke, so I guess I need to look into the possibility that this story may be true.

I would need to talk to Number 6 to get a clear (as clear as possible) explanation of the results of the agreement finally decided upon between Amiga Inc. and Hyperion and the courts/judge, when they resolved all of their lawsuits against each other.

I was under the impression that Hyperion owns AmigaOS4.x outright, not just a license to continue development of it, but then I never did look at the exact wording of the settlement, as it was not that important to me when it originally happened.  The rights to AmigaOS3.x and previous versions are much less clear to me (not that AmigaOS4.x is very clear to me), but I won't be surprised if Hyperion is able to sell the rights to AmigaOS4.x and that it can continue to be developed without any interference from Amiga Inc.

I will be disappointed if someone does not buy and continue to develop AmigaOS4.x.  My hopes are that if this story is true, that Hyperion is successful in selling the rights to continue to develop AmigaOS4.x to someone who will do a better job at completing AmigaOS4.2 quicker, or that they will Open Source AmigaOS4.x (highly unlikely).

Edit:  This is most likely just a misunderstanding and an over reaction by the community (as usual).

The issue with open sourcing is this.   Hyperion own AmigaOS4 however AmigaOS4 is based on AmigaOS 3 sources.  Hyperion's license was to use modify AmigaOS 3 to create new versions of AmigaOS.   Therefore it can never be open sourced as it's base doesn't belong to Hyperion.

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Is there any point at which AmigaOS4.x could separate itself from the AmigaOS3.x 68k sources and be considered it's own IP, or will it forever be tied to the previous source code it is based on?

Not being a programmer, I don't know all the rules regarding IP rights and if/how they can be transferred, but I agree that the messed up history of the Amiga IP makes it difficult, if not impossible to figure out.

In any case, I doubt that Hyperion is really bankrupt (or that the bankruptcy will not be reversed) and that development will cease for AmigaOS4.x (it can't until I get my free copy of AmigaOS4.2 for my X1000).  :lol:

The only way to do it is to hire a new development team that has never seen the source and reverse engineer it.  At this point you would be better off starting off with Aros or MorphOS.    

As for bankruptcy.   As of right now they are bankrupt and waiting to see if their appeal is approved.    What we know is they have started opposing the judgement.  That however doesn't guarantee that the judgement will be vacated.

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I'm just having a difficult time accepting the idea that Ben Hermans was one day going to work, whistling some peppy song because everything is going his way. He goes to the office, say hello to his coworkers and recieve the good news that AOS 4FE is selling well. And then he sees a letter at his desk, he opens it and see that the court of Belgium has for no reason at all decleared Hyperion bankrupt.
"There must be some mistake. Why haven't I heard of this matter before? We are paying our bills and our taxes and even making some money". He calls the court and the judge in question tells him:
"Oh, some guy sent us a letter the other day claiming he hasn't been paid and that you have no money to pay him. Because we are the court of Belgium, runned by third rate burocratic saps we of course believed him on the spot and without making any kind of investigation of the state of the company we declared it bankrupt. Because that's what we do. Are you now telling me he was lying? But ... he seemed so honest! I ... Oops, I did it again. File a complaint and maybe, just maybe, we will be nice enough to do our job and fix this. Unless we are out for lunch. Good bye."
Ben Hermans hang up the phone, he stands quiet for some very long seconds shaking, and then shouts "DAMN THIS THIRD WORLD COUNTRY AND IT'S LOUSY JURIDICAL SYSTEM!! DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!!"

Sure, maybe they will rebound. It's perfectly possible. And I would welcome that for the sake of the community and all the people who wants to use and keep using their favourite OS. But let's face it, unless Belgium is like what I described above then this happened because the court did it's job and came to the conclusion after an investigation that yes, Hyperion is in their conclusion bankrupt.

[Edit] I also have a hard time believe that such a small company forgot to open or lost the hypothetical mail with the court hearing. My dad had a small company and he got some 30 mails a day. He opened all and read most of them. Especially if it seemed important.

LMFAO best post ever!

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name five.


at least 200 people disagree. and the X1000 isn't 3000EUR. oh, and for the record, i bought my first system for less than $600. my next machine was only $400. that may be expensive in your eyes, but it wasn't in mine. please don't take your feelings, project them on everyone else, and then draw false conclusions.

-- eliyahu

Seems silly but would you like links?  

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@Boot_WB

In you opinion would that make people claiming that Hyperion not being bankrupt be the ones spreading FUD?

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Well I guess it is time to sit at home and cry.  BooHoo, BooHoo.

Down in Whoville?

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my bluff has been called! :lol:

it's ok. i'll take your word for it, although if you have any examples handy, that'd be great. i honestly had a hard time believing people would be so childish as to drop something they liked because someone else said something they didn't like. oh well. to each their own.


-- eliyahu

Here's a classic.

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=32327&forum=14

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Something like amithlon then in concept ?

Just asking as I have a hard time getting into the sentiment of Amithlon being a good AmigaOS and hosted AROS just being a Linux distro.
Amithlon is also just a Linux distro with everything thrown out and some m68k emulation put on top.

To each their own tbh.    I for one as expected like the arix concept.    Would I call it a linux distro I don't know depends on if you classify android as a linux distro.

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I this proven by benchmarks ? I would assume Linux drivers are much more optimised than native AROS drivers so I would assume ARIX to be faster than native AROS.

Well that does bring up the another point.    I have actually been able to use the closed source display drivers without xwindows.

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@terrminills
are you going to tease us without end or are you ever going to release some stuff or at least some honest and precise information one day? you are of course entitled to whatever you like, as hyperion is, but these tactics look a bit too comparable for my taste.

TBH I've never hidden where the builds are kept.   They are available to download whenever someone wants.  I just never advertised them either.   Now there are my own private builds which I don't upload often but I typically keep the stuff I'm playing with in the same place as gutenprint.

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If you want to know how ARIX performs, just grab one of the other AROS hosted on Linux distros and give that a spin.  The only significant difference is that ARIX has most of the Linux non-essential bits removed such as the package manager, Gnome/KDE desktop manager, etc.

If by non-essential you mean Everything but low level Drivers you are correct.   We don't even use XWindows.