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Offline utri007Topic starter

Accelerator without ram performance.
« on: January 18, 2020, 11:30:02 AM »
I have TerribleFire 520 accelerator wich has 68020 cpu, and it has no RAM it's own. Fast RAM is in GVP HD8+ ram & SCSI board.

This way it is a 1,68x faster than original A500.

OK, I can really understand this, BUT

I had a Supra turbo with very similar setup. I doesn't have RAM it is own and it uses external fast ram on side connector.

It was 5,89x faster than A500

How did Supra turbo was so much faster? Could 16kb cache explain this?

http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/supra28
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

Offline utri007Topic starter

Re: Accelerator without ram performance.
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2020, 04:20:28 PM »
It is 37mhz
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

Offline utri007Topic starter

Re: Accelerator without ram performance.
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2020, 07:55:32 PM »
Here
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

Offline utri007Topic starter

Re: Accelerator without ram performance.
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2020, 01:26:55 AM »
I know that there are performance problems with accelerators like this. But I wonder what makes difference between this and Supra accelerator? Can it really be that 16kb data cache wich supra has?
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

Offline utri007Topic starter

Re: Accelerator without ram performance.
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2020, 10:22:11 PM »
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Cache is effectively fastram wired directly to the CPU. They can work both as fast as each other.

If you have sidecar fastram and a cpu socket turbo board, the cpu must talk to the fastram through the Amiga500 bus, which is working at a much slower speed. So performance chokes.

It's like if you have 10 lane 70mph highway and then make it all go over a one-lane stone arch bridge with traffic lights. Big bottleneck.

I know, but why Supra is that much faster? I t doesn't have ram, ram is in sidecar and CPU is 68000, biggest difference to Terrible Fire 520 is tiny 16kb data cache.
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

Offline utri007Topic starter

Re: Accelerator without ram performance.
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2020, 07:17:32 PM »
Yes you did. Sorry. Cache seems to make huge difference even if ram is in side car. Wich is somewhat weird.
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

Offline utri007Topic starter

Re: Accelerator without ram performance.
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2020, 10:58:06 PM »
TF520 makes A500 1,7x faster than it originally was. Price is also very low, so it is very nice card for a price.

ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD