NetSurf 3.2 68k released

[utri007]

For me relevant is: http://ami-soft.blogspot.de/

the other port was done to get a Reaction GUI and does not work on Aros Vision anyway.

There is of course always newer versions like Netsurf too is in development. There is only the difference between AGA and normal version, new is that it does not need ixemul anymore and is much faster. So as far as I am concerned when using RTG use the normal version without ixemul, without RTG use the AGA version.

Chris' version of Netsurf 68k is only native version of NEtsurf for 68k Amigas. It uses official sources meant to be used with desktop systems and it has a proper gui. Problem is that Chris is not "very interested" to support 68k Amigas, it is more like a proof of consept than a actual browser.

All other versions use Framebuffer frontend wich is meant to be used with "no gui" sytems and debugging also they are build to top of SDL.  Thats why Arthur version from Amiga Netsurf is NOT here http://www.netsurf-browser.org/downloads/ and never will. Frambuffer is not meant to be used like that.

[utri007]

I looked at that page a few days ago and got even more confused, since even the version on Aminet is newer than those  (and those are clearly not 68k).  Okay.  Huh.  I do not understand this concept of "building a web browser with no GUI".  How are you supposed to interact with it?  Command line? :lol:

Yeah, I think I'll play around a little more with the six or so versions I already have downloaded, and just watch and see.  

NetSurf-gcc-json-2787.lha 02-Jun-2015 13:43  5.5M

[utri007]

Netsurf requirements for RiscOS is 16mb ram and 030 equvalent ARM6 CPU. SDL/Framebuffer requires 060 and 64mb ram, so if someone decides continue/help Chris  with native version, it would be possible to use it with 030 hopefully.

[utri007]

Chris: Could you explain what framebuffer means in this case? I would also like to know what means "no gui systems"?

[utri007]

My version was working without an FPU, but at some point it decided it needed one.
I can't figure out what I need to do to gcc to get it to default to "-m68020-60 -msoft-float", that should fix it as I think one of the dependencies is building with the wrong options.

If you disable FPU, please consider to make two different versions.

With 68040 FPU makes big difference, compared to 68060. With 68040 and FPU, Netsurf is actually useable. Disabling FPU makes it about 30% more snail. With 68020/30 with FPU or not, it woun't be useable or at least requires a lots of patience.

[utri007]

making multiple binaries simply adds up to the mess. 30% is not a big deal what concenrs usability. if some page loads two minutes it doesnt make it critical if it needs three. the binary should be compiled against existing libraries, in this case the math libs, and the system should decide, if it has fpu or if it needs to use soft floats. then people can simply try to use netsurf with a 68020 and see if it suiets them.

You are right, 2 or 3 minits is about a same. But with 040 it matter of useability, if loading time rises from 40 seconds to 60, it is huge leap of patience. 40 seconds is OK, minit start to be long time? With 060 difference ist not that big, just few seconds.

Could it be possible to make it support tool types? So that FPU could be enabled/disabled that way.

Though, one question is Chris still interested to develop Netsurf further? There has been extreme low interest to Netsurf. Arthur's version is OK under emulation, but not with real Amiga. I ques that both of them has very few users. No feedback, no bug repoerts, etc

I gotta say that I'm actually very surprized how fast Chris' build is. I thought that something like 2x slower would be maximum speed. It starts to be as fast as iBrowse is when downloading this site.

[utri007]

Test results are from that old build wich you made for someone who asked.

[utri007]

Could you you consider to get rid of friend bitmap and AGA version would need some love too. There is a problem with png pictures with invisible background, but just with AGA.

Those fixed only bigger thing to do is find memory leak / fix fragmention?? Am I right?

[utri007]

I forget, aga has that "red problem", like white and red are swapped.

[utri007]

You are confusing two different versions. You have read Arthur's fork's readme. That is based to sdl and framebuffer version of netsurf. It is OK with emulated enviroment, but not with Real amiga.

[utri007]

Thank you

This seems to get a lot further -

"Unable to Init SDL:  No available video device
Unable to initialise framebuffer"

I'm running an A1200 with 68020@ 28 mhz, 33MB of fast ram (+2MB chip ram, Indivision DVI AGA), using Miami and a pmcica ethernet for TCP/IP.  

I've looked through the docs but not sure if there is something else I should install?  The SDL library looks useful for compiling this myself only.  

I've tried the desktop at (highgfx - 1024x768x16 color/256 colors, and also PAL interlaced high res 16 and 256 colors).

Arthurs version would not work with your system anyway. It requires more memory than you have.

You should consider update to OS3.9

[utri007]

It is enough

[utri007]

I have 32mb fast on my 040 setup

[utri007]

Not work for me. After double click on icon, attempt load (you can see on memory display), but few seconds later, stop, and not load nothing and the memory are clean again.

Have you tested Chris' version? It requiresOS3.5/9 and 32mb ram

If you are coder DNADNL has made contributing to Project easy. Netscript downloads and compiles Netsurf. It requires CygWin dev tools for Windows

It uses render and guigfx libraries. Has some color problems with AGA. With RTG you need to manually edit users/choises file to have friend_bitmap:1 switch.

https://github.com/DNADNL/NetScript

There is also a precompiled version to download.

[utri007]

[EDIT] I need to correct my self, it doesn't work. I tested first with amigaworld.net, where problem is not that obivous. Amiga.org has color problems if friend_bitmap is not set manually.