Status report on AmigaOS 4.2 development

[utri007]

Jorkany : What is your point? You dont use, I use, several others use, some more doesn't. Still what is your point? You don't understand that people has hobby OS? OR you try to convice people to stop suppoting OS4? Or what?

I wouldn't run OS4 with cheap x86 hardware, I run Windows with it, I even run OS3.9 with really expensive 68k hardware.

[utri007]

So your point is based to fact that latest status update was just words and you conglusion is that there wount be OS4.2. At least you are strongly hinting so.

You are also hinting that I have some kind on fantasy about OS4, what you mean by that.

MorphOS is different thing it is Amiga if "needed" and it is not Amiga if it suits better for current  situation

[utri007]

After ten years nobody wouldn't buy ten years old x86 hardware, but I'm prety sure that Sam 440/460 has still value €/$/£

OS4 is hobby OS and it future is to be hobby OS. Everything else is nonsense. Though I have to say that everyday computer stuff is done with it nicely, surfing web, watching some TV series etc.

[utri007]

aCube manufactures PPC bords for industrial purpose, if they could manufacture bords just for just for Amiga user, I would say that price would lower. Lots of useless thing could be removed and make boards more cheaper.

So I would say that it is possible to make a diffrence.

[utri007]

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Originally Posted by utri007  
aCube manufactures PPC bords for industrial purpose, if they could manufacture bords just for just for Amiga user, I would say that price would lower. Lots of useless thing could be removed and make boards more cheaper.

So I would say that it is possible to make a diffrence.


AOS4 compatibility? That's 1/4 of the price right there.

If you read specs of Sam Flex or any other Sam boards, you find out that there ar lots of weird features, wich doesn't have any use with average Amiga hobbyist.

Sam Flex :
•2 integrated Ethernet 10/100 ports
•Up to 4 serial ports
•2 I2C interfaces
•SPI interfaces
•64 pin for I/O General Purpose
•FPGA Lattice XP with 80 pin I/O expansion connector

Sam 460 is even more weird.

If ACube could make mobo just for Amiga hobbyists, it could be much cheaper.

So every buyer matters.

[utri007]

I'm perfectly happy with my 800mhz Sam, it much more than 060, Workbench is fast, wb surfing is flawless, I can watch my favorite tv series with it etc. So CPU power is more than OK for me.

Flex would be at least 200€ cheaper without those "industrial" features. Talking about x1000 is different thing, it designed with different way, to offer max CPU power for Amiga and money is not a issue.

ACube might make Amiga only mobo, if there would be enough demand to it. I would say that it is possible to make and sell Flex level mobo about 100€, IF it has only needed features. Just 3x PCI, 2-4 USB, and CPU.

ACube is not exactly BIG player in computer market, so several thousands mobos to sell would be enough to desing and manufacture Amiga only mobo, to get price low as 100€ it would need manufacture in China and at least 10 000 mobos.

[utri007]

I wouldn't even imagine to us Amiga as a work machine, thats why it is callt a hobby machine

Though it is perfctly possible to use it as a home office and do some "serious" stuff with it. Everything with Amiga requires more or less tinkering, wich I love still havent make printing to work, because I really doesn't need it, but it would be fun.

Some basic stuff works out of the box. It was actually surprice for me, I waited that situation is much worse.

[utri007]

If we are dreaming tiny 0,001% change that Amiga makes a comback, it is not because of Amiga it will be because of Windows. Windows 8 sucks. Early 2000-centry they were blamed to trying to push workstation OS to phones, now they have good phone/table OS and they trying to push it to desktops...

Windows 7 was great.

[utri007]

They're probably keeping their real business separated from the Amiga related crap. If they do consulting, they could be selling their kit along with their services and you'd never hear about it. They have to be making money somewhere, I don't see how they could survive just from servicing the HyperionOS crowd.

Of course they do that I can imagine what would happend if they would say that "our biggest customer is XXX"

1000x mails per day to that customer from OS4 haters and moon bunny nuts, who would tell that customer representatives how stupid they are if they use ACube expensive products.

I would also say that those customers hasn't ever heard name ACube

As for industrial use customer don't actually pay for products, they pay for services and/or support. So it is prety much same, if price 10€ or 10 000€. Stopping factory can cost millions of euros per minit, wich makes prices under millions meaningless.

Industrial use, is how ever only answer why Sam boards are like they are, full of useless/weird expansions and features as for Amiga user point of view.

[utri007]

They're probably keeping their real business separated from the Amiga related crap. If they do consulting, they could be selling their kit along with their services and you'd never hear about it. They have to be making money somewhere, I don't see how they could survive just from servicing the HyperionOS crowd.
Of course they do that  I can imagine what would happend if they would say that "our biggest customer is XXX"

Oh come on, thats a bunch of bull****. Not one person in the amiga community has in how many years now seen of or heard of any of these boards in any company, project or place in the world besides for running amiga OS?

I hate to be cynical but I think that story is just a bull**** story to justify charging so much for them. The whole thing makes no sense. "This boards are primarily for embedded applications" Yet no one I know, in the computer world,electronics world, robotics world, manufacturing world,(besides even the amiga community) has ever seen one, heard of one, or used one?

I STILL call bull**** on that story until someone shows me someone besides an
amiga fan using one for any other reason than to run AOS4 on it.

Yep, I STILL call bull****.

Strong statement.

Might be partially true, who knows. Undeniable fact is that those mobos are designed to embedded use, another fact is that several companies sell them to that use. Seems also that there are Sam variants wich hasn't sold to Amiga use.

But I wouldn't wondwer if anyone in this community doesn't know any other purpose those boards, that just not unbeliable.

[utri007]

After some years Sam boards price will rise again, as every unique hardware does, so 200 is very good price for mobo and licence.

Sam 440 Flex has a best software support currently and it is surpricingly fast.

[utri007]

If you could buy your favorite car maker's new automobile, but it was only available with bicycle pedals, meaning you had to do all the work, or would you buy a generic, new automobile that had an automatic transmission, 40mpg city, power everything, when they both cost the same price?

You can't possible compare car and computer, or at least you should compare hobby car, like Mini Cooper and "practical" car, like Toyota. Still it wouldn't be same, I don't have room for third car, but I have room for 21 computers, 5 of them are used dayli, 3 Amigas and 2 Win 7 machines.

Price of Sam is not much for working adult, it is hobby machine. I could easily imagine much more stupid hobby, I even know some people how have stupid hobby. BUT I wouldn't  say that to them.

[utri007]

The 440's are no longer produced and quite frankly for as underpowered as it is, 200$ should be the NEW, purchase price, not used.

440 is not under powered, or at least you woun't get that feeling if you use one. Web surfing is fluent experience and watching PAL/NTSC avis without problems. I bought 440 Flex, I waited it to be "underpowered" prety much for every use, but that is not a situation. Though, no matter how much CPU power you have, it always possible get it to limits. For me it has been positive surprice, mostly because negative feedback from users wich hasn't ever used one.