We need an iBrowse replacement for 68k!!!

[utri007]

There is no way that current 68k amigas could display videos from net. I really doesn't understand where those unrealistic / impossible wishes cames.

Netsurf is propaply only possible solution. It is only semi modern browse wich has planed to work with low spec hardware. AMR6 30mhz and 16mb ram.

[utri007]

Good luck. and thanks for a patience.

[utri007]

Don't underestimate Netsurf, is fast and renders most pages correctly, wich is enough and realistic goal for real 68k amigas. Netsurf with OS 4 is very fast and responsive, like no any other browser, any other OS. Very confortable to use.

This is for real amigas and hardware hobbyists.

[utri007]

It is not a realistic goal for 68k amigas to have Firefox/OWB etc. any effort to that would benefit only those who use emulators, so lets not talk about that.

Browsing internet is generally very pleasent with OS4, any browser is very usefull and fast when comparing Window XP / 7 etc.

Even Timberwolf is usefull, only problem is slow startup

[utri007]

Great news Hopefully you get some help.

Original RiscOS version of Netsurf requires 68030 equvalent ARM6 cpu and 16mb ram. With 16mb ram it wouldn't have much a use, but it should start.

[utri007]

Just a quick question: how about a bounty/kickstarter to open source Ibrowse? Since a lot of modern stuff is out of the classic Amigas range, wouldn't it make more sense to concentrate on making web pages look correct, making SSL work properly and such things?

Netsurf displays pages correctly.

[utri007]

OWB on MorphOS is pretty awesome. I wish we had a good version of that.

I'm seriously looking into Netsurf at the moment though. It looks like it has potential and some active developers, just not enough.

Do you really belive that OWB would be usefull with real amigas? Good version for it for 68k Amigas, I can't imaginet what that would be.

OWB takes 89mb ram just to start.
Netsurf takes 20mb ram just to start.

<- Tested 2 minits ago, without Network connection.

Another thing, I don't understand what you are looked into Netsurf? OR has you looked current 68k version of it??? It is light weight web browser, memory footprint is much smaller than OWB has. It is a multiplatform browser, so it doesn't have just some active developers, it has quite many developers for several operating systems. It displays prety much  every web page correctly. Has a CSS, SSL and Java support, what else you would require?

[utri007]

Main question is :

What we could expect with it?

It can't be use for dayli web surfing, though it would make it possible with UAE
I can be used for "selected" sites, like amiga.org, amigaworld.net, aminet.net etc.
It could be used for temporay need of downloading stuff from internet. (Wich is most important aspect for me)

Build based for Chris OS4 native version would be very different thing than current 68k version wich is based to framebuffer version, wich is meant to be usd NO GUI systems and debugging. It is also build top of SDL

So possible future version of Netsurf based of Chris sources, IS NOT comparable with current version. It would have proper Reaction GUI, menus etc, selectable resolution/screen.

Screenshot here :

http://www.unsatisfactorysoftware.co.uk/netsurf/ns.jpg

[utri007]

Exist any Netsurf version to run in native Amiga Video chip set?.

Amiga OS4 classic can run Netsurf with plain AGA

[utri007]

So, Netsurf on faster machins and an open sourced Ibrowse for slower ones?

There woun't be open source iBrowse I'm a afraid.

But any way, I do not understand what you would possible do with 4mb ram Amiga on internet?

FTP would be more suitable for that kind of machine.

[utri007]

Being able to see a homepage correctly would be enough. And use Paypal, Amazon and other SSL related stuff. I don't demand that you can do everything, just that homepages doesn't look like crap.

I'm afraid that there woun't be web browser wich will do that with 4mb ram, it just a impossible.

[utri007]

I didn't think about that. I doubt it that "they would have done it by now" though since Ibrowse has not been for sale for a long time now. And all updates up till recently seems to have been mostly bug fixes and not about adding new stuff. But maybe you are right that Ibrowse is too far behind to be worth the trouble.

I guess I just hate to see a once excellent and important program disappear into obscurity.

As Chris said, it will be too much work to do with iBrowse. Basic download/login functions requires too much "new technology". It is true that there is "more lightweigt" browsers than netsurf, but we already have a iBrowse and AWeb, functionality would be in same level. What we don't have is "semi modern browser", wich would be useable.

Netsurf is only possible solution, of course it is possible toport OWB for 68k Amiga, but it too heavy for most of us.  Netsurf will have some use if you have at least 68030 and enough ram 16-32mb. Using Netsurf with 68030 would require patience, but it will allow quite much what you did require for browser.

[utri007]

This might be stupid suggestion, but maybe there is something wrong in your Reaction installation? Other words, them problem is not in code? Has you tried Aweb or some other proggies wich uses Reaction?

[utri007]

I didn't have much a luck with Netsurf and my two Amigas

A1200 040 32mb ram

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[utri007]

Stack was 65000, I enlarged it to 265000

With 040 it didn't change anything

060/Picasso96 it did change guru, new guru is this :

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