Curse of the SDL

[utri007]

Conclusion:

SDLquake is 37%-22% less speedy than clickboom's quake

Such a low spec machines every frame is important. Good result any way, I would ques that it is much more worse.

[utri007]

Clickboom's quake doesn't do warp3d. I belive that with warp 3d support result would similar, ie. sldquake / glquake

It is 060 version, it much faster than original exe with 040 also.

Bern is author of SDL version of Netdurf, so in this case 3d tests are useless.

Maybe 80% todays classic amigas has at least 030 and 64mb ram? Maybe 50% has 040/060 with at least 64mb ram? 40% has a somekind of RTG card? 20% has a mediator or similar with at least 8mb ram on their garphics card?

[utri007]

Good target system would be 030/040, 64mb ram and 2mb graphicscard/AGA.

There is plenty of app/games for 020/8mb and AGA. There is even more apps/games for systems like 060, 64mb ram and 16mb voodoo than those specs that I just suggested.

It seems that the games are either 020/8mb or 060/128mb/3d, middle level amigas has completely forgotten

There is no point to argue, how thing should do with modern systems, because most of us don't have 3D and 68k Amigas isn't modern hardware. Thats why SDL sucks with 68k Amigas

[utri007]

You should add more ram to your system. I do understand that amiga is hobby machine, but hobbies cost. Does it require GVP sims or can you use standard 72 pin sims? It would be about 200$ to get 64mb to your accelerator with GVP sims, but I'm sure that you woun't repent it.

[utri007]

Reaction is not that ugly and it would be much easier task than start from scrats with MUI

Why not make better screen support? 8 bit screens? Amiga fonts? That should be possible wit SDL also. It would make lots of more useability to it and with Reaction/MUI gui it would feel like native amiga program.

[utri007]

There are some pointless projects (about www), I don't want to say what and others doesn't know what kind of web broweser Netsurf is, so they think that A-Web is more usefull.

Here http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=43738 somebody said that that "I maybe would consider doing an OS3 ReAction-based port, I'd have to be convinced that it was much better than AWeb though, which I'm not. There's no menus on this version (!) so I'm not sure what features it offers, if any."

I don't have enough knowledge and english is not my motherlanguage, so I woun't bother to arguing him.

So Bern do you know where is Netsurf feature list?

1. Get smaler memory footprint, 8bit screens would help?
2. Disable requirement of true type fonts so that it would work with AGA
3. Give it a native GUI

Boynty is allways possible and I belive that many would take a part in it. BUT somebody who have needed knowledge should do it.

PS.

Clickboom's Quake outperforms SDLQuake and with 060 and AGA more than 6FPS, 14,58/FPS. I couldn't get SDLquake run  AGA screen on my 060 machine.

[utri007]

Not without third party program and there is no benefit to use them with 8bit 640x512 screen

[utri007]

All tests has made with same settings 320x200 8bit

SDLquake allows with aga only choose PAL/NTSC, and NTSC is choosed, otherwise I've choosed CGX screen 320x200 8bit

None of them has made with 640x480 because, that is simply not playable. 16bit screen drops FPS little, not much.

For me is important to have actual hardware, tune it to limits . I've 4 amigas. I've choosed to use only Zorro cards, because that was original 68k amiga expansion bus. I've also bouht harware new/old several times in this year.

[utri007]

On archive that you linked has a GUI / Launchtool for SDLQuake, I used it and it worked. I woun't belive that it could accidentally launch any other Quake.exe.

Or is there already one? How have you configured it? I need to check it tomorrow, when I get back to home.

It must be SDL quake, it requires assing TMP and it is needed no matter do I use gui or not.

[utri007]

This one:

http://www.zshare.net/download/93491293cd6725de/

name is Quake, hmmm could it be actually quake,exe with gui? I thought it was laucnher? Size is 468kb

[utri007]

OK now we know that Franks's quake is not optimized as Clickbooms's quake is, but at least it has a nice gui

[utri007]

I can't run tests now, need to wait tomorrow. I feel hard to belive that clickboom's quake would reduce screen size. Double buffering is not eneabled by default, if I want to use it, I need to turn it on.

Edit:. Sorry, yes double sized pixels, same thing, if I want to use them I need to turn that feature on.

[utri007]

Thanks matthey it is actually nice to see that somebody else is making same mistakes than me

But it seems that SDLQuake is doing same results, than Frank's quake port with hires screemodes.

BUT as have been said, this is quite useless test. Is it so that you have used Frank's engine with your SDL port? So you know how small SDL role is with this test.

[utri007]

Thanks

[utri007]

POint & Click adventure 640x480 should be playable with AGA