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Offline utri007

Re: SCART RGB Lead problem
« on: April 10, 2011, 12:56:47 PM »
Hi

One of my scart cabels doesn't work correcly with my lcd tv.

Picture is light, I mean that it is hardly visible, it is like a ghost. No dark colours it is like contrast would be 0.

What is wrong with it? Problem can't be TV, it is proven to work with amiga.
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Offline utri007

Re: SCART RGB Lead problem
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2011, 02:37:20 PM »
Exactly same

I could try to fix this myself, but I'm not experienced to soldering.

So I would appreciate if I could get good instructions what to try.
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

Offline utri007

Re: SCART RGB Lead problem
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2011, 03:30:05 PM »
What did you changed, I would like to do excatly as you did? Did I understand correctly, only 6 wires needed to picture? 3 for audio?
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

Offline utri007

Re: SCART RGB Lead problem
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2011, 04:24:02 PM »
Just to be sure, NO resistor for 12v wire? Fron pin 22 to pin 16??
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

Offline utri007

Re: SCART RGB Lead problem
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2011, 04:47:07 PM »
It could also be usefull to know what was wrong with tribz scart cable? How much soldering or maybe just cutting wires?
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

Offline utri007

Re: SCART RGB Lead problem
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2011, 05:13:11 PM »
OK

Again just to be sure:

1. Remove resistor from from line 22 -> 16
2. Composite sync is pin 10 in d-sub, move it to pin 20 on scart connector?

That's it??

Argh :( I didn't get it
« Last Edit: April 10, 2011, 05:20:04 PM by utri007 »
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

Offline utri007

Re: SCART RGB Lead problem
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2011, 06:09:10 PM »
OK

What I have here connected

http://wiki.classicamiga.com/Amiga_RGB_to_Scart_lead

Scart

5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15, 17, 18 and 20. 17 and 18 are connected with jumpwire

So need to figure out 5, 9, 13 what those are for / where they go (ground signals???) and cut jumpwire form 17 to 18. Get 12v to pin 16

D-sub is has all needed wires exept 22
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

Offline utri007

Re: SCART RGB Lead problem
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2011, 06:29:54 PM »
Vesalia has this SCART cable (Amiga RGB -> SCART), stereo, 2m. will it work with LCD TV? Does any one know how this is wired?
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

Offline utri007

Re: SCART RGB Lead problem
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2011, 07:09:07 PM »
No I'm confused... wich one is that I need? Those two are totally diffent and my current cable doesn't have needed wire to do later one.

Do I cut those ground wires or not?? "pins 5-9-13 SCART side are the RGB ground signals thats must go to pins 16-17-18 Amiga RGB connector side". And why my cable has jump wire from 17 to 18?? What I do with it?? It is composite video ground and logic ground???

With this one I just need to move one wire to different pin and do some wire cutting

http://wiki.classicamiga.com/Amiga_RGB_to_Scart_lead
« Last Edit: April 10, 2011, 07:16:38 PM by utri007 »
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

Offline utri007

Re: SCART RGB Lead problem
« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2011, 10:16:05 PM »
Does anyone now how those vesalia's cabels are wired? Will they work with LCD tv??

I rather buy new cabel than risk anything trying to make my own.
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

Offline utri007

Re: SCART RGB Lead problem
« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2011, 10:15:53 PM »
OK I've made some reserch, my cable is othervice identical to this

http://wiki.classicamiga.com/Amiga_RGB_to_Scart_lead

*Except 12v from 22 to 16 my cable doesn't have that.
*I've quite many ground wires connected, 3 video ground to pins  5, 9 and 13
*17/18 composite video ground/logic ground are connected with jumpwire

So my questions are,

*If I modify one of the ground wires to 12v is it ok? From pins 22 to 16??
[edit] I'll remove audio wires and use one of them to get that 12v, so after that I still have 2 wires to use to another purpose. Here http://www.ianstedman.co.uk/Amiga/amiga_hacks/Amiga_SCART/amiga_scart.html pin 16 has said to be rgb mode and it is wired to 23 on d-sub connector?????? SO will I connect pin 16 to 22 or 23???? To pin 22 wire comes from d-sub 8 wich is a switch???

*The is also ground wire soldered to D-Sub connector's shield but no connection to Scart connector shield??? What I do with that? Should I join that wire to scart connector's shield?

I really would appreciate if you could help me with this.

My problem is excatly like this :

http://www.datacenta.it/Photo2.jpg

There is a picture but it is hardly visible.
« Last Edit: April 12, 2011, 10:39:42 PM by utri007 »
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

Offline utri007

Re: SCART RGB Lead problem
« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2011, 11:41:26 PM »
Quote from: Stedy;631287
@Tribz

Your original problem was caused by an incorrect voltage on pin 8. The Video decoder IC within the TV was using the SCART blanking feature and alpha blending the RGB and composite (derived by the look of it) video signals. That is why you had a ghosted image, the composite video signal was 4-6us ahead of the RGB signal.

I wrote the SCART cable guide and drew the diagram shown in this thread.  The resistor from pin 10 of the Amiga (TTL CSYNC) is very important, without it you risk damaging your LCD TV. The Amiga CSYNC output is a HCMOS TTL signal with an Amplitude of >4.5V. The composite video input of the TV expects at most a 1V video signal. The devices typically operate of 3.3/1.8V supplies so the >4.5V signal from the Amiga is not good news.

The Amigakit SCART cables are wired to my diagram. Could you supply the model number of your TV please, would be interested to know why an LCD does not work, this cable has been widely tested.


Stedy would you help me?

What should I do

*
Connect D-Sub 22 to SCART 16

OR

*
Connect D-Sub 22 to SCART 8 and D-Sub 23 to SCART 16

AND

What I do with that ground signal from D-Sub shield? Do I connect it to scar connector shield?
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

Offline utri007

Re: SCART RGB Lead problem
« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2011, 08:07:35 PM »
I ordered scart cable from Amikit, picture quality is PERFECT :) even in hires modes, no flickerin/blur etc.

My last question is: It works only in SCART1, SCART2 doesn't give picture at all. SCART1 is RGB, but is it possible to make cable wich gives picture from SCART2???

I've 3 amigas, wich I wanto to connect to LCD TV
« Last Edit: April 30, 2011, 08:11:49 PM by utri007 »
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD