68060 speedup patches + more

[utri007]

Hi

I recently bought Blizzard 68060 accelerator, its overclocked to 66mhz.

I currently use latesta Phase5 68060 library, cyberpatcher and blizkick. Setpatch is from boingbag2

It seems to be not so much faster than my previous 68040 40mhz apollo accelerator.

What paches I should install to get it faster?? ie. Duke 3d is totally unplayable, was at least 50% faster with apollo.

WB screen refreshing seems allso slower etc.

Games like DOom, quake, napalm runs only little bit faster 10%-15%

I'm allso interested to know what options I should enable/disable from CyberGraph options?

[utri007]

I'm sure 68040.dummy named to 68040.library and 68060 library.

They are from here http://phase5.a1k.org/

FBlit and blazewb are for those who doesn't have grapihics card

[utri007]

I know, realizm is that with zorro II graphics card I get that 10-15% speed up with my 060 compared to 040

BUT why duke nukem is totally unplayable and why wb seems to be slower

[utri007]

-Latest libs! (040_060Libs.lha) : I currently use mmu libs
-BlizKick : I can't use this, I have 1mb kickstart/rom and blizkick soesn't support them, only 512kb roms is supported. I use CPU Fast command. Better solution would be nice.
-FBlit : It is towerized system with RTG
-FText : - " " -
-BlazeWCP : I'm running this, it doesn't affect Picasso96
-CopyMem060 : I use MPC's
-UtilPatch060 : Need to check this
-CyberPatcher : Most of apps/games are for 040/060 anyway?

[utri007]

To be frank, most of this is not really helping much. "CPU Fast" is nonsense and does not work for a 060 at all since it does not support it. If you want to mirror the ROM into RAM and have the mmu libs, use "MuFastROM". Not any third party program.  Additionally, depending on the board, "MuFastZero" might also help to mirror execbase into fast memory.   "FBlit" is nonsense if you have an RTG system anyhow (in such a case, blits are executed by the CPU in first place, through the RGB system, and you don't need an additional source of instability in first place). The same goes for FText. All this is already run through the RTG System in first place, no patch needed - and not exactly helping either. I don't know what BlazeWCP is, but it falls probably into the same category.  CopyMem060 is most likely not helping, only damaging a perfectly fine copy. Besides, how much software are you aware of that copies huge amounts of memory around so that this would create a measurable difference?  Seriously, the 060 should - out of the box - reach approximately twice the speed of the 040. If it does not, none of the above programs will help either. Something is then seriously wrong, for example the CPU caches are off. (No, the *CPU* command does not help here. It is the processor library, i.e. the 68060.library that is then not loaded. The CPU command is a legacy program that has not been updated and that does not support the 68060.).

This is very old thread, that time I didn't have a RTG.

BUT, problem was that Apollo's non standard fast chip ram access made very visible difference when using AGA and Hires Laced workbench compared to Blizzard.

I don't have FBLit and FText running.

I tried MuFastRom but I had some problems with it, can't remember what? Does it support 1mb physical kickstart? I have 1mb kickstart, with all the BB2 rom updates, filesystems and scsi.device.

PS. I just mentioned you name in another thread, maybe you could comment there also? http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=70260&page=6

Is CopyMem060 equalent to MCP's copy mem quick?

I ques that I have just been happy that system boots up very fast, without additional reboot.

[utri007]

FBlit does make a huge dirrerence if hires interlaced modes are used, it increases screen scrolling etc a lot. It is nice to have pimped up workbench, without low chipram problems with whdload games.  

FBLit is now opensourced, so everyone capable can make fixes to it.
https://github.com/SamuraiCrow/fblit

Apollo accelerators read/write chip ram faster than other accelerators, that is done using some hacks. At least Jens S said something like that. Personally I don't know what but diffrence is noticeable.

[utri007]

I used this guide, there is one mistake. http://www.mfilos.com/2010/12/guide-create-and-burn-custom-kickstart.html

DummyCDtrap is need with acceleratos wich has a MMU not just Cyberstorms. Other vice MMU blocks direct memory Access to extended 512kb part and make it slow.

There is some very nice points to have that kind of kickstart. Biggest advantage is with hard drives.

[utri007]

There are sevaral valid reasons to build such a rom. Please note, that we who have actual benefits with it have real amiga. There is no such a benefit using custom rom with emulator, where Amiga piracy is nowadays..

-Any IDE hard drive work with it.
-Reinstall is much easier.
-If workbench.library is left out, any boot floppy doesn't do.

PS. Are those modules located to 32 bit fast ram in picture?

[utri007]

Also Picasso96 have those interrupts problem, with some RTG cards, but not all. GVP Spectrum has a that problem and xPert Merlin doesn't have.

There is script files in SYS:S what whdload does when it start and quits. TCP/IP stack can be started and terminat with tem, same with USB stack

[utri007]

It is possible to map 1mb kickstart to fast ram with CPU command, just checked it works.

[utri007]

As said there is plenty of good reasons to use 1mb rom.

Any IDE hard drive work with it.

I have this http://aminet.net/package/driver/media/SCSI4345p 3 well konwn and respected amiga coders has made it. With original kickstart I had lost of problems to found working IDE hard drive. With that prety much every IDE drive works out of the box

Reinstall is much easier.

No hard drive problems is great. But I can also mount CD rom drive without any other driver, using scsi.device from rom. OR I can mount my compactflsh adapter from rom, there is a compactflash.device.

I also have all possible filesystems on ROM FFS. SFS and PFS

If workbench.library is left out, any boot floppy doesn't do.

I have found diffuclt to use floppies, they broke and drives are untrustable. With my current machine, I can start to install OS with ANY floppy, like Deluxe Paint IV floppy. Otherwise I need a floppy, copy workbench library to it just to boot SHELL. I wouldn't trust emergency boot disk made 5 years ago or 10 years ago.

As a bonus, I don't need to run any PCMCIA fixes from startup-sequence. I have a Piru's excellent exec on rom etc.

[utri007]

This is probably side-tracking this thread, but just for curiousity: What is exactly this interrupt problem? I do have a GVP spectrum, with P96, and that's working just fine. So I wonder what the problem is.

TCP/IP stack and USB stack makes WHDLoad games  unstable. Thats why there is commented out options to disable most TCP/IP stacks and USB on s:whdloadstartup file. Same with latest versions of  Picasso96 and some cards. You don't play?

http://whdload.de/docs/en/bugs.html

Using Picasso96 versions equal or greater than release 1.36 also the graphics card Spectrum creates such interrupts. To avoid this the Picasso96 software must be reverted to a pre 1.36 release or the gfxcard driver must be disabled.

[utri007]

I haven't had any problem with Poseidon running in the background when I start WHDLoad games.  Obviously USB mice and keyboards aren't supported by games, but I haven't had to shut anything down.

My Spectrum card, on the other hand, some games will just start with a black screen unless I switch to a non-P96 screenmode prior to starting them.  That /bugs link looks interesting, will have to research further.  Thanks!  

It is possible to but required parts of poseidon to ROM and then mouse and keyboard would be supported.

I had Spectrum and I had that problem with Picasso96 and Whdload, but not with my xPert Merlin.

By the way I made some speed test and Merlin is quite much faster. Got some 2fps more to Quake with Merlin. That is interesting because it is possible to get xPert Merlin for very economy price. It has it problems, but most of them are cured with fixes. Karl Werner Riedel still supports card. Unsolvable problem is with 24bit screens, but compared to Spectrum it is OK have 16 bit workbench, as Spectrum can't do better and 16bit works just fine with Merlin.

[utri007]

Thomas : You were right about 15 years ago. Now regular amiga user is about 45 years old male, most of us have a work etc. No problem to pay kickstart.

There are still those who whine about money because they are used to that, but still they have money.

Another thing is those who have found amiga again becuase of cheap gotek drives, they might thing that anything over 20%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!8364;/$ is too much. BUT they wouldn't have any use to 1mb official rom.

Those who like to have it are hardcore hobbyists whit all possible expansions. Money is not a problem. I spend some 500-1500%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!8364; per year to my hobby.

[utri007]

Reinstalling Amiga 1200/600 can be real pain, without a 1mb rom.

Any hard drive works, compared that needs to test about 5 diffrent IDE hard drives to found one wich actually works. My current hard drive didn't work at all with original kickstart 3.1.

There is a official kickstart 3.1 with newer scsi.device, but workbench library is left out. That could also be dead end with real amiga.

With 1mb rom any hard drive works to reinstall, I could start with it Deluxe Pain program floppy, need just text editor (ed) and shell.