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Offline utri007

Re: Should we really crack IBrowse 2.4???
« on: May 08, 2009, 07:59:13 AM »
NETSURF would be css capable browser for 68k amigas.

1. It works just fine with 50% less cpu power than 060
2. Porting would be easy task, makers of OS4 version has said multiple times that they had made OS4 version so that OS3.9/3.5 version should be easy to port. Unsupported OS4 things could simply comment out from source etc.
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

Offline utri007

Re: Should we really crack IBrowse 2.4???
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2012, 01:59:28 PM »
Netsurf is almost useable, with native gui it would be nice browser for REAL 68k amigas.

Netsurf isn't perfect, but at least it displays most of www pages right and would be realistic goal, unlike OWB etc. It has developed to work very low spec machines.

Chris who has ported netsurf to OS4 has made quite lot work to make backporting to 68k/OS3.X possible and little easier.
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

Offline utri007

Re: Should we really crack IBrowse 2.4???
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2012, 06:13:06 PM »
Netusurf requirements for RiscOs is 030 equalent machine with 16mb ram and yes it works 8bit screens also. 16bit screens are because SDL.

Because of SDL, wich is meant to be debuggin only by the way, it wouldn't even start.

SDL removes "amiga feeling" from it and it is bog slow with any 68k amigas. Never used any SDL game that is actually useable with 68k.

AGA is possible

Here is what needs to be done to get NATIVE, not SDL frontend of netsurf to 68k Amigas.

http://vlists.pepperfish.net/pipermail/netsurf-dev-netsurf-browser.org/2011-January/002304.html

Chris is also promised to help if somebody could take a task
« Last Edit: October 08, 2012, 06:15:17 PM by utri007 »
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

Offline utri007

Re: Should we really crack IBrowse 2.4???
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2012, 10:32:29 PM »
Browsing web with 68k amiga could be pleasant surprise, but not with current software. You cant compare amigas to c64.

For me some download pages would be essential, maybe some news pages, like amiga.org ;)

Netsurf could do it useable way.

At this point, somebody usually start to talking to firefox/owb for 68k amigas. Those are not options.
« Last Edit: October 08, 2012, 10:39:55 PM by utri007 »
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

Offline utri007

Re: Should we really crack IBrowse 2.4???
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2012, 10:53:22 AM »
Not bad, but would still I prefer Netsurf. It is also for low spec machines and some work has already done.

Requirements are  30MHz ARM 6 computer with 16MB of RAM, wich is equalent to 68030

When Amiga OS3.x version is just SDL frontend, originally intendent to debuggin, requrements are totaly different. With 16mb ram it wouldn't even start.

BUT it can considered to proof of consept those who have tested it knows it is almost useable. Just build proper reaction gui, get rid of true type fonts etc. and it would useable.

TO DO LIST :

http://vlists.pepperfish.net/piperma...ry/002304.html
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

Offline utri007

Re: Should we really crack IBrowse 2.4???
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2012, 11:12:15 AM »
99% sure that Netsurf would have much more use tnah OWB with 68k amigas, because it really shoul run faster/less memory.

We can't have modern browser with all features, just not possible. Netsurf would be nearest thing to that.

NovaCoder: With all the respect to you current projects, but could you consider this? Are there any of those for 68k already? Netsurf would be great benefit for all, not just gamers.

Chris : Could you consider to take a part of job? That way it wouldn't require so much time? And if you could do it co-work with experienced coder like novacoder, it could materialice quite fast? Did you say that you don't have 68k amiga any more, novacoder has, so problem solved. ;)
« Last Edit: October 11, 2012, 11:19:36 AM by utri007 »
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD
 

Offline utri007

Re: Should we really crack IBrowse 2.4???
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2012, 09:18:42 AM »
I'll participate, who has experienced to setup boynty? Somebody with native English, so it wouldn't be full of spelling mistakes ;)

Wich leads to question : NovaCoder could you consider this if you could get some money of it?
« Last Edit: October 12, 2012, 09:21:18 AM by utri007 »
ACube Sam 440ep Flex 800mhz, 1gb ram and 240gb hd and OS4.1FE
A1200 Micronic tower, OS3.9, Apollo 060 66mhz, xPert Merlin, Delfina Lite and Micronic Scandy, 500Gb hd, 66mb ram, DVD-burner and WLAN.
A1200 desktop, OS3.9, Blizzard 060 66mhz, 66mb ram, Ide Fix Express with 160Gb HD and WLAN
A500 OS2.1, GVP+HD8 with 4mb ram, 1mb chip ram and 4gb HD
Commodore CDTV KS3.1, 1mb chip, 4mb fast ram and IDE HD