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Offline Minuous

Re: I think.........
« on: December 05, 2011, 06:57:46 AM »
>Maybe it was better this way. If it was still in the big markets it would probably have gone down to a bloated pice of cr*p just like most other comercial OSes available.

Hasn't it? Doesn't it now require some insane amount of RAM, 96Mb IIRC!?
 

Offline Minuous

Re: I think.........
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2011, 03:09:13 AM »
>I'd rather have a double root canal without novacaine, performed by a blind dentist using a rusty nail, before I would foist any of these cludgey, archaic, half baked so called OS's, like AROS, etc. on my worst enemy, let alone a customer.

He does have a point. AROS really isn't ready for prime time. Eg. it is still missing basic functionality that the Classic Amiga has had for 12 years, such as ReAction, and the ability to seamlessly run 68K executables.
 

Offline Minuous

Re: I think.........
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2011, 10:14:24 AM »
Quote from: fishy_fiz;670410
Reaction isnt overly important

I hope you're joking but didn't see any smilies so I'm not sure. I guess if all you want to do is run CLI programs or obsolete/hacky GadTools/MUI stuff you could get by without it, but I know I certainly couldn't. And therefore as a consequence, for example, it is completely impossible to produce any ports of any ReAction-based software to AROS without completely rewriting the GUI, which is just not feasible in most cases. There are many other enhancements from OS3.5 and OS3.9 that are missing from AROS (and MOS and OS4 too for that matter), I can't believe this is the case but it is. OS3.9 is now 11 years old so I'm not quite sure why the delay. I understand that the sources are not available but neither OS3.1 sources (nor Windows sources and WINE manages to emulate Windows). It's somewhat analogous to if WINE only supported up to Win95.

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AROS can run 68k executables seemlessly :)

Last time I checked it couldn't, but I'll take your word for it that it can now do this.
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Offline Minuous

Re: I think.........
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2011, 04:43:36 PM »
Quote from: fishy_fiz;670453
Obsolete Mui. In the same sentence as OS3.x reaction?

The "obsolete" was actually referring to GadTools, (and "hacky" was referring to MUI).

I cant think it one bit of software that I use that uses reaction rather than MUI, and Im predominantely an OS3.x user. MUI on the other hand I use constantly. IBrowse, Wookiechat, Amirc, Voyager, Scout, Scalos. I could go on and on. The only things I can think of that use reaction are a few simple preferences tools. Most of which I replace with MUI equivalents where possible anyway.[/QUOTE]

The opposite situations pertains here, I'm fairly sure I don't have any MUI programs installed at all except Scout.

Well, most programs that I write (AmiArcadia, MCE, etc.) use it; you must not be familiar with any of them, so I presume you don't go to Aminet often ;-) But there are hundreds of others, Aminet is your friend :-) I should also make the point that coders who want their code to be easily portable to AROS and MOS are forced to use MUI (or GadTools); they would not necessarily make such a decision if all the GUIs were available on all platforms. Therefore, this means more MUI programs than would otherwise be the case. But even if, for the sake of argument, it was 75% MUI and 25% ReAction, it shouldn't really matter, it's like saying "Only 25% of programs access the joystick, therefore there is no point supporting joysticks".

Anyway, the point was not to resurrect the ancient ReAction vs. MUI debate, the point I was trying to make is that OS3.5/3.9 have had functionality for over a decade which AROS lacks, so it's not a viable option to have an Amiga compatible OS that actually isn't very compatible at all and still lacks entire subsystems, forcing anyone wanting their programs to be portable to it to avoid using any features newer than 18 years ago. There's lots of improvements in OS3.5/3.9 compared to 3.1 and AFAICT AROS doesn't implement *any* of them.

I could write a reimplementation of OS1.0 and I could truthfully call it an "Amiga compatible OS" but it wouldn't be very useful for much. The same applies to a lesser extent to a reimplementation of OS3.1. I'm not sure why they stopped at 3.1, do they have something against H&P?

To try to get back to the main topic, I'm surprised Commodore USA didn't go for a computer with built-in UAE to run on startup, similar to a MAME cabinet in concept. Since there is a market for MAME cabinets, perhaps there would be a market for Amiga "cabinets" (cases). Not that this would appeal to me personally, but neither does what they are actually going ahead with and the market is more uncertain. Perhaps they were not able to negotiate a deal with Amino and/or Cloanto for the Kickstart ROMs.
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