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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« on: March 27, 2014, 11:37:52 AM »
Having used many distributions of Linux over the years, including completely build your own varieties such as Gentoo, I would personally say for a complete newbie either Ubuntu or Mint (which uses Ubuntu as a base on one of its versions) are the best choices. Others will disagree on this while others will agree. The thing with Linux is there is so much variety within it that there is something for everyone pretty much.

One thing you may struggle with is WI-FI as some chipsets are supported within Linux natively. While lots of chipsets aren't and will either need stuff compiling, not good for newbies, or require odd workarounds using Windows drivers.

So for your questions

1. What type of Linux would be the most widely compatible and still good on a system from about 8 years ago (specs above)?

Lubuntu is going to the most compatible out of the Ubuntu flavours. If your feel adventurous then maybe look into something like Puppy Linux. I had this running on a crappy netbook with very little effort.

2. For my purposes (gradual immersion), should I create a partition on the 160GB hard drive for Linux, or buy a 32GB or 64GB USB stick and install on that?

Live distributions, that is a version that runs off CDs, DVDs or USB sticks, is a good way to go. Most distributions come with Live variations and are a great demo of how things work within the system. Just expect limitations and slow performance as it reads off things like CDs and DVDs. If you like it then generally it is a easy case of clicking on a icon and following some install instructions for the newbie friendly installers.

3. Any tips or good guides on creating a dual boot system?

Make sure something like GRUB installs, generally it does automatically. So long as you don't mess too much with the installer, going for custom installs, it should pickup windows fine and setup a dual boot environment.

5. Any tips on creating a Linux partition on a hard drive WITHOUT having to destroy and re-install the XP partition that already exists there (i.e. Swissknife?)?

Most installers come with a partitioning tool. However if it doesn't then you can use any partition tool, even within windows, to slice up the drive and get it ready for Linux. Before you start I would recommend watching videos and reading guides because if you do it wrong you will kill the Windows partition and lose all your data.

6. Any complications or pitfalls I need to watch out for on a dual boot system?

When it comes to getting rid of Linux, if you feel you don't want it any more, then it is a pain to do. So before you decide you want Linux then try, try, try and try it more using live media and even using virtual machines.

7. Are all Linux strains compatible? I don't want to be stuck with a Linux branch that can't run common binaries.

Anything for Linux will run on any Linux flavour. The package installers vary depending on distribution, commands and such. But generally the package managers have pretty comprehensive repositories of software. Updates filter through flavours pretty quickly. If you want something that is not in them you can do a manual compile. This is a bit tricky but doable.

Windows stuff however won't work without something like Wine. But this has it's own pitfalls and not all Windows software will work. But if your mainly using XP stuff then it shouldn't have too many issues with basic stuff.

8. In future, will I always need a Windows XP partition to run my legacy Windows XP applications, or is Wine under Linux good enough now?

Wine is not perfect. Don't let people tell you otherwise. It's getting better but some stuff simply either wont work or will be buggy. If you rely on Windows software then keep the Partition.
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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2014, 12:42:14 PM »
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In fairness to the question you answered, I think it should be stated that pre-compiled binaries on on different architectures will not work when crossing over other Linux distributions. Debian vs Ubuntu vs. Arch vs. Puppy etc. I think that this should be spelled out for some as I didn't know this when I switched over. I am not trolling here at all, I think he should know that initially. The last bit you mention is part of the reason I wanted to learn C as compiling in Linux can be important at times if you want something arch specific. To your point though, most software is compiled for different architectures already in the repositories.
 
@TCMSCP - TY for Bitwig! I never heard of it and it looks well polished as a Linux DAW.

 
Yup i would agree and accept that correction. Jumping between different base systems, debian to gentoo for example, you will find differences in how packages are handled and subtle changes, which do have effects on software, in how things are compiled. But as a general rule all software written for Linux will work no matter the system with some tweaking.
 
But to ballance it out. If the op picks a distro and sticks with it then there should be no issue. Or if they go from debian to Ubuntu to mint.

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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2014, 06:23:28 PM »
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Yeah, I understand Lubuntu is meant for older computers - but what have they cut out of it besides the eye candy?  Is it less functional than Ubuntu?

Basically yes. As far as I remember, been a while since using Lubuntu, it's basically the core ubuntu with a lightweight UI and some eye candy stripped. It will be the exact same system though as all other debian/ubuntu systems.

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Also, is there any way to have a shared folder between your Windows and Linux partitions, so you can, for instance, save a graphics project you've been working on on the Linux side and when you load Windows you can access it?

Thanks.

Ubuntu will read Windows NTFS fine. Windows, on the other hand, wont. One way is to created a little partition, with NTFS, to store common files on. Another is to keep a usb stick handy and just dump files on there. Another is to follow this link and use the guide provided.

Another tip is to download a Ubuntu cheat sheet for CLI commands and basic file system structure. It comes in handy for numerous occasions.

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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2014, 09:12:30 PM »

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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2014, 11:49:23 PM »
I would be interested to see how ral-clan gets on with VM'ing. Given that he has stated that the host is a P4 @ 2.8ghz. I am unsure if any of the P4's ever had VT.

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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2014, 11:53:37 PM »
Quote from: persia;761487
SteamOS  http://store.steampowered.com/steamos/download

Isn't Steam OS aimed more at media centre style systems? And in all fairness you can download the Steam Client anyway for Debian (Ubuntu and Mint) systems. Just grab the .deb from Valve and off you go.

However we have to remember that this is going on a P4.

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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2014, 12:34:57 AM »
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That was my thought exactly.  My system is only a P4 with 3GB RAM. Apparently you can download Microsoft's Virtual Machine 2007 and use it in Windows XP, but I don't think a VM is a practical option for me with this system.  I'll probably either just make a true partition when I'm ready or install on a USB stick (with the intention of later moving it to a real hard drive partition).

I can't install a dedicated hard drive for Linux because my system already has drives on all the IDE channels/pairs.

Virtual Box is a free VM program. It works well and you may just get away with VM'ing it rather than spending money and time on Microsofts own VM stuff. The amount of RAM will work because I am sure that the lightweight Lubuntu uses roughly 300-500mb when fully loaded.

If you want to install Lubuntu to a USB stick then check out this thread. You will need at the very least a 4gb USB stick. Or if you have a spare USB physical drive then even better. Just remember that performance might be slightly impacted due to read and write speeds. And with the amount of RAM you have I would highly suggest using a Swap partition.

Just a quick question. How are you planning on connecting the system to the net? Is it on Wi-Fi or hard wired?
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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2014, 12:52:30 AM »
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Hi! Well, my desktop is wired - and I had the internet going straight from the Lubunto live CD automatically.  That was neat.

I do have an XP laptop used by the rest of the family for average day-to-day stuff.  If my Linux experience is positive I could see installing Linux on that one day.  It of course is wireless.

Why, is wireless networking a particular tricky thing with Linux?

it's down to the chipsets that manufacturers use. Some use a common chipset which have freely available drivers (oddly enough these tend to be the cheaper cards and such), so they can be used within the Linux kernel without issue. If a manufacturer uses their own chipsets and closed srouce drivers then its a case of finding out of the manufacturer is supporting Linux.

My main issue with Linux has always been with wireless networking and finding a adapter/card that worked. I had a crappy old belkin adapter for years but it crapped out and I ended up buying some of those plug into a socket lan things.

As a side note all this Linux talk has got me to log into my Linux partition which I havent touched in a while because I have been using a Cisco netowrk simulator for learning CCNA. It was way outdated lol. I was using Ubuntu 13.04 and it is now at 13.10. But a simple
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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2014, 01:34:30 AM »
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@ral-clan

Don't bother with the MS Virtual Machine. It is rubbish, it can only emulate very basic things.
Oracle VM is very advanced and fun to play with. You can fiddle around and not break anything.

Yup. MS VM is only good if you are going to be running just Windows on a basic level. I have used it to host Win 98 on occasion. Virtual Box is much more feature rich. However I am concious of the limitations of the host.

Seems the more I think about it the more that installing to USB might be a more sound idea.

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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2014, 02:43:37 AM »
My gateway Linux experience was with Mandrake 7.2 Power Pack Deluxe. Came on a whopping 7 cd's back in 2000 and needed 5gb for a total install. It was a beast.

Found a review http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2567/1

The installer for this was a bit of a learning curve. It had a "graphical" installer. But by graphical it meant a cli with some colours and boxes. Think installing something on DOS. So it was a real pain the backside especially when you had to deal with the Mandrake specific installer stuff. But once I had it running it was a beast.

I remember I had to leech the net connection at college to get software for it. It came with a package manager called RPMDrake. Made life easier but if I got a program that needed dependencies I didn't have then I could do jack all about it. Which is why I invested in a external V92 modem running at a blistering 56.6kbs. Then I got one of these USB ADSL things, at the start of the ADSl boom.



That was a pain to get working.

I seem to recall mine coming with KDE 2 as the default window manager.

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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2014, 08:56:52 AM »
I have already mentioned this but find some cheat sheets. One for general Linux commands then one for your specific distribution. Having cheat sheets to hand are mega handy. I have one for Linux that I have had for years, I laminated it to keep it safe, and a Ubuntu specific and Debian Specific one I update every so often. One of the greatest things you can learn is how to use the Terminal. And a physical cheat sheet always helped me.

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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2014, 03:45:14 AM »
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Okay, one more question.

One of the thing that bugs me about Windows, is that if your motherboard dies, you cannot just take the hard drive out and put in in a different computer and keep going.  The Windows XP installation is dependent on certain drivers set up to match the motherboard and related hardware it was running on (or so I've read).  Migrating a whole hard-disc to a new computer is difficult and a re-install is usually a better choice (besides the whole registration/authentication thing).

Is Linux any better in this regard?  Is migration to a new base set of hardware simple?  I assume it is better since the whole "Live CD" and "Live USB stick" installation seems to be very base hardware independent.

This would be a very important attraction for me to Linux, as I had a motherboard die on me once and had to re-install my whole Windows XP system from scratch on a new XP.  Simply moving the hard drive over would have been so much nicer!

From my own experiences I had no issues transplanting a HDD from one system to another as they were both x64 systems, AMD to Intel. The initial start was slower while the OS reconfigured some drivers and such for the new system but otherwise it worked. If you migrate from a X86 to x64 (32bit to 64bit) it will still work but be aware you will be working to 32bit limitations with RAM sizes. If your system dies while it's on a x64 install then it won't work on a x86 setup.

Basically if you're planning on installing onto a USb stick and sticking to roughly the same architecure (32bit in your case) then install the 32bit version of the OS onto the stick and it will work no matter what.

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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2014, 05:25:11 PM »
Quote from: commodorejohn;761658
Oh, if you're a hip, trendy young Internet techie of the type that blindly worships the new, it's crucial!


Are you still complaining?

Quote from: Nobrainer;761654
Try http://elementaryos.org if you like minimalistic, light and fast OS, based on Ubuntu. I like it a lot, another interesting and very nice looking "theme" turning into a distro itself is the upcoming http://www.webupd8.org/2014/02/numix-announces-new-linux-distribution.html

p.s. never had any issues with Linux.. for me personally, it just works.. and it works great.


Just grabbed it and dumped it on a USB stick. Pretty slick.

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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2014, 08:20:07 AM »
@commodorejohn
 
I did a bigish post to reply to you. But then I realised why bother. Your posts basically come down to "This %&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@! isn't for me!" and varying interpretations on this theme. So that's fine, go XP it up as much as you like. But stop with constant derailment already. You're like one of these old ladies I see on public transport that complain about anything and everything.

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Re: Tips on moving to Linux?
« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2014, 12:20:24 PM »
You only have to look through your posts to see the incessant old woman levels of moaning. Doesn't need any mod credentials to comment on that ;)