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Re: IBM wins the CPU contract for the Microsoft's X-BOX
« on: November 04, 2003, 10:55:41 AM »
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This is *not* an announcement that IBM *is* providing the CPU silicon.  This is a cross-licensing agreement announcement only.


According to IBM they are providing "Processor Technology", meaning this thing could have a G5.

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Modern PPC (970) is just as hot as x86 CPUs.  


Not quite, IIRC average power for the 2GHz G5 is 50-70W, Intel P4EE is 92W, the next gen will be over 100W.

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The last PPC that could get away with using a heat sink and no CPU fan, was what, the G3 600MHz?


We've ran a 1GHz G4 (10W) with a fairly small fanless heatsink.

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Latest Pentium, would be the Pentium 4-Mobile at 2 GHz, think it averages about two watts.


I'd love to know where people get these low figures from, according to the Intel spec sheet it's 30W / 20W depending on clock voltage & clock speed.

The only way you can get low power out of an x86 is to cut the performance.  VIA C3 is a good example of this.
 

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Re: IBM wins the CPU contract for the Microsoft's X-BOX
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2003, 06:11:37 PM »
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Actually the Via C3 CPU has so poor performance, mainly because Via is a much smaller company than Intel, AMD and IBM, specialised in mobo chipsets. They most obviously don't have the funds to hire a legion of electronics engineering experts like Intel or AMD and therefore the design of their cpu's is monolithic and competely anoptimized. I read somewhere that the Via C3's design ressembles mainly to that of intel 486!


VIA are not poor, they had the money to purchase not just 1 but 2 x86 CPU vendors!

The C3 is based on the IDT Centaur design, it was never designed for speed, it is designed specifically for low power.  Designing an x86 compatible CPU is no small (or cheap) effort.  The C3 is compatible with the full Pentium 4 instruction set, it even identifies itself as one to the OS.

It is like a 486, it's that way on purpose.

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The stuff available internally is only more detailed in you can see the resources that are assigned, so you can guess, but beyond that nothing firm that tells us the technology being used.


It looks like a 970 derivative.  It needs to be significantly faster then the current 600MHz P3 and I don't think a G3 will give a big enough difference.  Also we are talking a couple of years away by which time the 990 will be nearing and the 970 positively old.

The 980 is expected (and rumoured) to be out next year.  IBM have already talked on record about a "consumer POWER5".  I expect the 990 will be a consumer POWER6.

However I think this quote on IBMs web site pretty much says it:

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According to Bernie Meyerson, IBM Fellow and chief technologist for IBM's Technology Group, the new Xbox technologies will be based on the latest in IBM's family of state-of-the-art processors