Pegasos to go on sale Monday / Pegasos II to ship September 2003

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To Whom it May Concern:
The Pegasos will go on sale Monday.
There are 300 to sell and 100 that will go to MorphOS Developers and Employees.
If interested to purchase a Pegasos mainboard or fully configured machine:

1. Contact your Distributor

2. Contact Phoenix

3. Contact Genesi

When these are sold there will not be another release until August/September 2003. The next release, the Pegasos II, will have double data rates, three 1 Gb/s ethernet channels, and Dual G4s. Genesi will not release a new version until then.

We want everyone to understand this before they purchase the Pegasos available now. All Betatester boards will be exchanged with the first priority.
An upgrade credit will be offered to Pegasos I buyers. The Pegasos I will not have a G4 upgrade.
Thank you and best regards,

Genesi

Note: Please contact Genesi directly to get your replacement board with April chipset (if you haven't done so far). Thank you.

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@MikeB & Mountain_Myst

Rather than focus on the negative, why not look to the positive?  The existing Pegasos customers are not locked-into their G3's with upgrade options to the Pegasos II.  While we won't see dual G4 for a few months yet, when they do arrive, they'll be paired with dual data rate and gigabit ethernet along with other features that have yet to be announced.

Plus, there is the coming STB's and the Eclipsis to fill the void.  I honestly can't wait for the Eclipsis.  It's just what I've always wanted.

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For instance I know that the PegasosG3 performs similar to the AmigaOSG3-SE (Linux). So I have my severe doubts about i.e. a G4 AmigaOne-XE or Teron board performing worse than a G3 one.

And you've done labratory-condition benchmarks to proove this?  If so, please, post the results here for everyone to see.  Please make sure which revision of the motherboard, Rev1.0, Rev1.0A or Rev1.0B you used for the test, what peripheral cards are included, which OS and most of all which industry-approved benchmarks you used for the test.  I would very much appreciate having such a test done, as would many others.

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@ anarchic_teapot

A disaster for one company is business as usual for another.  Genesi might have specific needs from their northbridge that Mai promiced but cannot deliver.  (The RAM issue is still one that looms, for example)  Genesi claimed that Mai did not work as advertised.  This does not preclude the Mai from working, just not as-advertised.  Where Mai is deficient may not appear in a desktop solution, for example.  But remember, Genesi needs more out of their chipset vendor than *just* the Pegasos, as shown by the Eclipsis and STB deals.  If Mai cannot deliver as-promised, then Genesi has wisely chosen a vendor which can deliver what was promised.  

As for the G4 question, they never said it *couldn't* run a G4, but that Genesi was not going to deliver a G4 card for it.  Commodore never made 68060 nor PowerPC cards for the Amiga either, yet I once owned a card with both of these processors on it at one time for my A1200.  Also, as noted in the list, those owners of a Peg I can upgrade to a G4, by trading in their Peg I for a Peg II and paying the $200 for the G4 card (which was the original price anyways).

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Why don't you ask Genesi to back up their wild claims?

You're the one challenging it.  

If you insist on a benchmark comparison, however, I can ask around to find a 3rd party willing to make one, if you'd back me up on it being a fair and unbiased test.  I'd also need someone with an A1 board to compare with, preferably a few different variations on such (the original G3 model, single G4 model, dual G4 model) and I can discuss with the other pegasos owners to get a comparison of the now 3 revisions of the board.  It's the only way to be fair, agreed?

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What about the STB then, will that be Pegasos2 based now?

The STB was never Pegasos 1 or 2 based, but an independent product that happens to use many components from other Genesi products, such as the Cashboy and ComCam, and even components from the Pegasos design, but never the Pegasos itself.  The components used are not affected by this decision.

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Are you trying to be sarcastic, or do you have inside info from IBM? If IBM were so concerned and not satisfied over the quality of MAI's chips, why did the Artica S and Teron CX/PX boards just recieve "Ready for IBM Technology" validation from IBM itself? And why are IBM listing MAI and their products on their website if it is so buggy?

Nobody ever said that the Mai chip was so buggy as to be unusable.  By being usable in some manner, even if in a limited fashion, Mai could pass the worst piece of crap imaginable.  Mai's chipset passed IBM's minimum requirements, namely 32 address pins and 33Mhz local bus.

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As for the "real speed" of a G4 CPU, let's see some laboratory-condition benchmarks instead of blithe assertions.

I said earlier I'd be willing to arrange such a test, providing I can find people with boards on both sides willing to lend them for a brief period.  Gotten some responces from Pegasos owners, none from AmigaONE owners.