OS4, When ?

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SlimJim wrote:

@et al
 
At any rate,  I find the statement that AInc "hasn't yet
payed Hyperion for completing AOS4" a little odd. I was
under the impression that Hyperion owned the full rights to
AOS4. In fact, Ben himself has said that because of this,
AOS4 could go on, even if worst came to worst and AInc
folded. The fact that Hyperion has ALREADY had to do
some other contractual work "on the side" (thus slowing the
development of AOS4) has always indicated (to me) that
they carried all the economical risk themselves. Isn't this
what so many have bashed AInc for, they not having a
financial stake in development?
 
And now suddenly, AOS4 need the money from AInc:s
Microsoft deal to be completed. Either something has
changed a lot behind the scenes lately, or something is
wrong with this *rumor*.
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SlimJim

Perhaps we mis-read the original statements.  or we did not dig too deeply into the various "deals" AInc's gotten involved in.  Perhaps it was all a big lie to appease the masses.  

But the point comes down to, AOS4 is not coming, for whatever reasons.  Possibly Amiga, Inc was contracting Hyperion (which would fit with the fact that all docs on the project are on amiga.com and not hyperion's homepage) the whole time, with a clause to allow them to take-over should AInc fold.  So an interesting situation we're in.

So guys, how much you willing to wager on AOS4 being ready end of March?

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@Rogue

Most of all it doesn't give anyone the right to proclaim that OS 4 will not be out this year. That is something that can only be said on December 31st, not a second earlier.

Actually, you're assuming that release can be instaneously handled.  Once the final-release form of the OS is established, you've got packaging, distribution, documentation, and most of all PUBLISHING to accomplish.  It takes 2-3 weeks for open-source CVS'd roll-your-own projects to go from code-done to public dissemination.  

Realistically, one can take an estimation of progress based on work done to date and work remaining to be done.  Will it be accurate, no, but it's a guestimate.  Ben Yoris did such a guestimate, based on his own experience.  You're free to make your own, based on your experience.

Myself, I'm awaiting AOS4's arrival, so we can show precisely why we have the superior product.  It's hard to compete with a ghost.

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@HMetal

Uh... Ray... you guys do that already.

And I did discuss AOS4 specifically in the post, to be specific bringing up such issues as "distribution" and "time to market."  In other words, discussing the post-development stages of AOS4.  Seems pretty on-topic to me.  Also pointed out Ben Yoris's opinions and where he drew them from, while also validating Hans' rebuttal of them.  They saw two different areas of development, and drew differing conclusions based on them.  Happens a lot in development.

As for size of hardware, you guys win there.  Egads, that board is friggin HUGE!

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HMetal wrote:

downix wrote:
@HMetal
Uh... Ray... you guys do that already.

Come on now Nate. I have, as much as I have wanted to do otherwise, stayed clear of commenting under MOS/Genesi specific topics on amiga.org.  Even though Amiga hosts the server, we have given Wayne the leeway to run his site as HE sees fit.  This you cannot deny unless you put some silly imaginary spin on it.

I was using "you guys" generically, not meaning you specifically.  You've always been easier to talk to about things

As for size of hardware, you guys win there.  Egads, that board is friggin HUGE!

Well, to be technical, it isn't Amiga's board, it's Eyetech's  :-P

Regardless, couldn't you have made those comments without the troll-bait that you ended with?  It was, up until that point, a good response.  ;-)

If you're referring to the motherboard size, I did not intend that to be troll-bait, I was actually trying to make a joke.  Sorry if that didn't come across well.  

As for the competition, I actually do want to see AOS4 arrive and put the two OS's head-to-head in order to compare them. Same as I'd like to put Pegasos up against the AmigaONE.  

If MorphOS does show up deficient, it means there's an area to work on, and we have a detail to base it on.  Same with the Pegasos.  It's competition which dirves everything forward!  Without it, both camps will stagnate and eventually die off!

Of course, part of me is still holding out for a cooperative effort, but I just don't see that coming anytime soon.