I have SAS-C that I'm not using. Not sure if I wanna sell it, though. Depends on the offer I guess. I think it's version 6.5 and it's got the binder that's supposed to be rare or something. I haven't used it in years. I thought I'd try to learn C, but I found C to be stupid. It's overly and uneccessarily convoluted. :-( That doesn't explain why I took a class to learn C++, though. :-) FORTRAN is king! :-D