Rats leaving a sinking ship, or something else?

[greenboy]

uncharted : IIRC Bill Buck has admitted (on ANN I think) that this is nothing more than a nusance suit.

Has he... I seem to have missed that. I've never heard him talk about it that way in all our hours on the phone, or in hundreds of emails.

Despite everyone at Genesi/Phoenix saying otherwise, they are despirate to get thier mits on the Amiga brand.

Don't drag Phoenix into this. You seem to be very comfortable making statements and assumptions that appear to be meant to support antagonism - like that "It's designed to kick Amiga while it's down" ... and it's rarely ever that simple.

Phoenix does not give a crap about the Amiga name, collectively - or individually, it seems. On the basis of posts on Phoenix lists, most people could barely care less about having the Amiga name, never talking about it, never mentioning it. The few who have ever even brought the subject up seem to think the name has been tainted, perhaps irretrievably. But the general tenor is that we just don't care - we have better things to talk about and care about.

I'll also say that personally I do not care about the Amiga name. I never did. Even before the current Amiga Inc got a hold of it. I like the experiences the original Amiga has made possible, and I like many things about the way the Amiga OS has performed when compared to other OSes of same historical period, and continuance and improvement of that type of OS experience is something I have cared about.

And I like many of the developers and have felt it was a shame they have been neglected during Gateway days, and seen what little market there has been erode further. Thus my involvement, thus Phoenix.

I still think the Name is largely immaterial. And just as I said during the final days of Gatemiga when Phoenix was formed, those who think the Name matters more than the possibility of increased opportunities for developers and ultimately users - well, they are often a burden that I do not especially see much actual value in. Fanaticism and twisted political/cultural correctness has done much to destroy opportunities and the value of the brand.

Note: I am NOT against the brand, if at some point in the future it is possible for Phoenix to work with developers who work with Amiga-branded products I will treat them as I treat any other developers who show positive and constructive attitudes.

Probably the last thing I'll say in this thread: Genesi is not "despirate to get thier mits on the Amiga brand." There is no desperation involved. Genesi's main concern is to see progressive improvements come of the potential that is still to be found - if you look REALLY hard - in this community. By example in finance, partnership, sponsoring and effort, Genesi is showing more leadership than the moribund Amino/Amiga Inc promised so long ago but neglected in a hundred different ways.

Thus, Phoenix's involvement with Genesi.

[greenboy]

uncharted,

As I said in my post Phoenix does not have any interest in the Amiga name. You brought Phoenix into the discussion here seeming to claim that it does. But it does not. Trying to spin that into a PR-speak connection afterwards while ignoring what I said about mine and Phoenix's lack of interest in the Name shows that when you "call it as you see it " you apparently also choose to filter out what others say if it doesn't fit what you want to see.

Another misdirection: "I never dragged phoenix into working so closely with Genesi" does not even fit the context of your orignal statement - it's purpose of making the association was to attribute something to Phoenix which simply is not true.

As far as your BBRV quote from ANN, it does not really prove what you say it proves, as I see it. The post seems to list several reasons, and other BBRV posts have also raised other reasons. Those reasons do not constitute a "nuisance suit" - unless one throws away quite a few phrases that speak of motivations as well as business and contract.

Your more personal comments about my posting style are simply irrelevant to the topic, and as in the past you seem to be rather antagonistic... If I speak with authority it is because I present my observations and experiences in my style, usually without trying to go inflammatory. That does not constitute PR, though I do try to choose my words so as not to splatter invective and hearsay into a discussion when I am at my best ;  }