Voodoo 3 3000 -vs- Voodoo 4 4500, strange

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Strange results. P96 speed shows bizzare ultra terrible benchmark results for the Voodoo 4 4500 and good results for the Voodoo 3 3000. However in Quake II the Voodoo 4 4500 wins in all resolutions.

I realise P96speed is mostly if not totally aimed at 2D, but the results for the V4 is just absurd. I'd think results that bad would be seen in the 'seat of your pants' feeling. The results are like 50X slower in some areas.

Hmm.. After running the last tests I feel the need to dispell Tjoaz. Hmm.. new post or news item? I think news..

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@Karlos

I should have run these benchmarks long ago. Tjoaz loves to jump in every Prometheus thread spreading old benchmark comparisons from Prometheus' Alpha drivers days on a system with A3640. Those numbers are so far off it isn't funny. Comparing my numbers to numbers submitted to Amigaspeed.de, it is fair to say the prometheus/Voodoo is the FASTEST gfx card solution on the market. My benchmarks beat Mediator in every single category by a margin of as much as 300%! If I compare it to his old numbers, which would be unfair but along the same level of him, it'd be beating it by a margin of 1000%.

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@adolescent

Well I need to get these numbers out there. There really is not alot of comprehensive Prometheus benchmarks on the net. There's a certain someone who loves pointing to highly biased, old and innacurate information. I'll but out my numbers, and I welcome new benchmarks from the other side.

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And even then, why so much emphasis on 3d performance?

P96Speed is a 2D benchmarking program.

useless except if you want to play ports of 5-7 year old games at framerates that only look when compared to 5-7 year old x86's.

I dunno, Quake II here makes a pretty playable game. I really don't think a 7 year old PC could touch it.

and a Z3 graphics card for reference

You have one handy? Run P96speed and post the results for comparison.

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Yes, but none of the P96 tests that I saw on Amigaspeed.de.vu even mentioned the Prometheus?

I guess no one submitted one :-?

Toss that Voodoo card in with a P2/300 and an Intel 440LX chipset (available August 1997 -- so ALMOST 7 years), and I bet it'll match or probably even beat the Amiga.

Possible, go dig up some benchmarks and let's find out:-D

Amiga has virtually no 3D power, with or without a Voodoo card.

Uuuh Amiga is lacking titles, but don't tell my system it doesn't have 3d. It would get upset;-) Playing Quake II with a solid 33FPS is no slouch and does not handicap someone playing against a PC.

Which version are you using?

1.2

If it's the right version, I'll e-mail it to you.

Post it here!

I'd also happily donate a baseline A2065 Network baseline. Just supply me with the test.

I don't know a test off hand :-?

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Especially in cases like this, where the 3D power is so woefully behind modern systems.

 I emplore you to fly to Florida and play Quake II on my system and say it's not playable, or you'd be at a serious handicap against a PC. That's not the point though.

I really think you are missing the point here. Most people using classic Amigas aren't trying to beat modern PCs speed in 3D games. Why shouldn't a classic Amiga user get the most out of his box though? If it was all about benchmarks between PCs and Amigas, there wouldn't be a single classic user left in the world. Why do people restore classic/antique cars? Why do people customize classic/antique cars? They aren't as fast as modern cars, get much worse gas mileage, handles far worse and often it costs alot more to restore an old classic then it is to buy a new production car.

3D is done because it can be done, and it does give the possibilty to play some modernish games. With SDL and hopefully other ports, the possibilities grow even larger. I am looking forward to playing some original Duke 3D on this system, and I hope Hyperion realses some more ports in the future when OS4 is out. I will keep tweaking my system to ring out every ounce of performance possible:-)

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@Ilwrath

We will have to agree to disagree. IMO it gets to a point with FPS on a first person shooter where it's wildly overkill. Do you need 150FPS + just to make a game playable? I think not, it's simply bragging rights.

Let me ask you this, if you feel Amigas should be burried along with PCs of that era, why are you here? Classic Amiga hardware is obviously dated if you want to put it in a head-to-head comparison with modern PCs. The same can be said for the OS and all available software.